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Old 05-30-2012, 03:19 AM   #11  
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This is cutting into my beer drinking. I don't know where pokey's cut and paste came from but will you buy the Federal Register Fromm 2005?

Final § 61.55(d)(1)—The SIC pilot type rating applicant must receive the familiarization training under § 61.55(b) from a qualified pilot in command [See § 61.31(a)] or an authorized flight instructor who holds the aircraft type rating on his/her pilot certificate [See
§ 61.31(a) and § 61.195(b)]. The ground training under § 61.55(b)(1) may be given by an authorized advanced ground instructor [See § 61.215(b)], authorized flight instructor, or qualified pilot in command.

You can tell something is up in the reg because it says "Trainer" and not "Instructor."
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This is cutting into my beer drinking. I don't know where pokey's cut and paste came from but will you buy the Federal Register Fromm 2005?
It came from the NBAA website.
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I also thought the endorser has to be an ATP. I have been flying right seat in a citation, and the pic is not a cfi or atp. Can he endorse me for the sic rating? I’ve never gotten an endorsement from a non-cfi before.
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Is there a published letter of interpretation for this, something from a specific FSDO, or something specifically documented elsewhere that supports this?

I was always under the impression that an instructor pilot in such a situation either had to be an ATP—in a 121 or 135 environment—or had to possess the type rating + a flight instructor certificate with cat-class privileges to do the same training in a part 91 operation.

I'm not saying you're wrong by any means, I'd just like to have something published to point to if what you have said is the case.
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Just did it recently for a LR-45 SIC type at the Seattle FSDO. Had to make an appointment. You can do the paper 8710 but they preferred IACRA. I did it all on IACRA and it was pretty simple. Had to show the inspector my logbook and some company specific paperwork that showed I had completed ground and flight training on the aircraft. The aircraft PIC signs into IACRA as Recommending Instructor to sign.

I don’t think you need an ATP or a CFI to be the recommending instructor. Just a PIC type.
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Just did it recently for a LR-45 SIC type at the Seattle FSDO. Had to make an appointment. You can do the paper 8710 but they preferred IACRA. I did it all on IACRA and it was pretty simple. Had to show the inspector my logbook and some company specific paperwork that showed I had completed ground and flight training on the aircraft. The aircraft PIC signs into IACRA as Recommending Instructor to sign.

I don’t think you need an ATP or a CFI to be the recommending instructor. Just a PIC type.

thanks for the info! I’m getting conflicting advice from a dpe Im friends with. He said the endorser must be an atp or cfi, AND the ‘chief pilot’ or flight ops director or something. But I don’t see anywhere that it says that.

how did you guys log your ground instruction?
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I had my 737 type rated friend give the training for a my 737 SIC. We just made logbook entries showing we covered what was required. Funny thing was the inspector at the FSDO was completely lost and I had to explain the process to him. He asked another inspector who told him explained the process. In the end his comment was "I`ll send it in if they don`t like it they`ll kick it back". Went through no problems. The SIC is only needed for travel outside the USA. It`s actually not clear if one T/O and Landing is required.
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thanks for the info! I’m getting conflicting advice from a dpe Im friends with. He said the endorser must be an atp or cfi, AND the ‘chief pilot’ or flight ops director or something. But I don’t see anywhere that it says that.

how did you guys log your ground instruction?
The DPE is wrong. He needs to read the regulation and the 8900.1, specifically Vol 5, Ch 2, Sec 22. FSIMS Document Viewer
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