How to give an SIC type (pt 91)?
05-30-2012, 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
This is cutting into my beer drinking. I don't know where pokey's cut and paste came from but will you buy the Federal Register Fromm 2005?
Final § 61.55(d)(1)—The SIC pilot type rating applicant must receive the familiarization training under § 61.55(b) from a qualified pilot in command [See § 61.31(a)] or an authorized flight instructor who holds the aircraft type rating on his/her pilot certificate [See
§ 61.31(a) and § 61.195(b)]. The ground training under § 61.55(b)(1) may be given by an authorized advanced ground instructor [See § 61.215(b)], authorized flight instructor, or qualified pilot in command.
You can tell something is up in the reg because it says "Trainer" and not "Instructor."
Final § 61.55(d)(1)—The SIC pilot type rating applicant must receive the familiarization training under § 61.55(b) from a qualified pilot in command [See § 61.31(a)] or an authorized flight instructor who holds the aircraft type rating on his/her pilot certificate [See
§ 61.31(a) and § 61.195(b)]. The ground training under § 61.55(b)(1) may be given by an authorized advanced ground instructor [See § 61.215(b)], authorized flight instructor, or qualified pilot in command.
You can tell something is up in the reg because it says "Trainer" and not "Instructor."
05-30-2012, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
This is cutting into my beer drinking. I don't know where pokey's cut and paste came from but will you buy the Federal Register Fromm 2005?
03-07-2020, 10:32 PM
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Citation sic
I also thought the endorser has to be an ATP. I have been flying right seat in a citation, and the pic is not a cfi or atp. Can he endorse me for the sic rating? I’ve never gotten an endorsement from a non-cfi before.
03-08-2020, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TheSultanofScud
Is there a published letter of interpretation for this, something from a specific FSDO, or something specifically documented elsewhere that supports this?
I was always under the impression that an instructor pilot in such a situation either had to be an ATP—in a 121 or 135 environment—or had to possess the type rating + a flight instructor certificate with cat-class privileges to do the same training in a part 91 operation.
I'm not saying you're wrong by any means, I'd just like to have something published to point to if what you have said is the case.
I was always under the impression that an instructor pilot in such a situation either had to be an ATP—in a 121 or 135 environment—or had to possess the type rating + a flight instructor certificate with cat-class privileges to do the same training in a part 91 operation.
I'm not saying you're wrong by any means, I'd just like to have something published to point to if what you have said is the case.
03-08-2020, 08:26 AM
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Just did it recently for a LR-45 SIC type at the Seattle FSDO. Had to make an appointment. You can do the paper 8710 but they preferred IACRA. I did it all on IACRA and it was pretty simple. Had to show the inspector my logbook and some company specific paperwork that showed I had completed ground and flight training on the aircraft. The aircraft PIC signs into IACRA as Recommending Instructor to sign.
I don’t think you need an ATP or a CFI to be the recommending instructor. Just a PIC type.
I don’t think you need an ATP or a CFI to be the recommending instructor. Just a PIC type.
03-08-2020, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by VanDriver
Just did it recently for a LR-45 SIC type at the Seattle FSDO. Had to make an appointment. You can do the paper 8710 but they preferred IACRA. I did it all on IACRA and it was pretty simple. Had to show the inspector my logbook and some company specific paperwork that showed I had completed ground and flight training on the aircraft. The aircraft PIC signs into IACRA as Recommending Instructor to sign.
I don’t think you need an ATP or a CFI to be the recommending instructor. Just a PIC type.
I don’t think you need an ATP or a CFI to be the recommending instructor. Just a PIC type.
thanks for the info! I’m getting conflicting advice from a dpe Im friends with. He said the endorser must be an atp or cfi, AND the ‘chief pilot’ or flight ops director or something. But I don’t see anywhere that it says that.
how did you guys log your ground instruction?
03-08-2020, 09:23 PM
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I had my 737 type rated friend give the training for a my 737 SIC. We just made logbook entries showing we covered what was required. Funny thing was the inspector at the FSDO was completely lost and I had to explain the process to him. He asked another inspector who told him explained the process. In the end his comment was "I`ll send it in if they don`t like it they`ll kick it back". Went through no problems. The SIC is only needed for travel outside the USA. It`s actually not clear if one T/O and Landing is required.
03-09-2020, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by IamNotARobot
thanks for the info! I’m getting conflicting advice from a dpe Im friends with. He said the endorser must be an atp or cfi, AND the ‘chief pilot’ or flight ops director or something. But I don’t see anywhere that it says that.
how did you guys log your ground instruction?
how did you guys log your ground instruction?
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