Regs for logging PIC while IRO of 3or4 man cr
06-20-2014, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer
There is only one PIC and it's not you.
…however, now that our L-CAL 757/767's ("fifty-sevens" to L-UAL folk) have converted to Sabre and ACARS 2.0, the new ETOPS Checklist has a new section regarding the items to be accomplish during a crew member swap (for breaks). It lists that there is a confirmation of who the PIC will be. My guess, fwiw, is that it is for those trips where there are two Captains crewed, as opposed to only one Captain and two F/O's.
Besides, why are you so worried about logging the PIC now that you're at the "bigs"?? Looking to go elsewhere?
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06-20-2014, 12:20 PM
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What the FAA will allow you to log per 14 CFR 61.51 is not particularly helpful when it comes to applying for jobs. Airlines are only going to want to see PIC time when you were THE Captain on your resume and application. Log the time in such a way that you can easily separate it out, or include it, to match the criteria of whomever you are applying to.
06-21-2014, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry in TN
What the FAA will allow you to log per 14 CFR 61.51 is not particularly helpful when it comes to applying for jobs. Airlines are only going to want to see PIC time when you were THE Captain on your resume and application. Log the time in such a way that you can easily separate it out, or include it, to match the criteria of whomever you are applying to.
06-22-2014, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyhayes
Am I the only one who finds this to be terrible advice. By logging time in manner that you feel suits you the best, you are basically telling the airlines that you have no concept of regulations. Why would they want to hire someone that can't even follow simple part 91 rules?
06-22-2014, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyhayes
Actually it's under Part 1
Regardless, the FAA defines what PIC is.
I bet "supreme sky-god in command" hours would look pretty good on my resume :D
Regardless, the FAA defines what PIC is.
I bet "supreme sky-god in command" hours would look pretty good on my resume :D
I was thinking my space camp commander time should go on there too!
06-22-2014, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyhayes
Am I the only one who finds this to be terrible advice. By logging time in manner that you feel suits you the best, you are basically telling the airlines that you have no concept of regulations. Why would they want to hire someone that can't even follow simple part 91 rules?
The simple fact is that airlines do not care what the regs say about logging time, the PIC may well in fact be one of the FOs assigned to the trip at a particular juncture in time, according to regulation (why do you think they were required to hold a PIC type well before the new ATP rule kicked in?).
Airlines do not care about this regulation and only care about (as one of the earlier posters put it) "supreme sky god in command" time.
The advice itself it correct, I have over 2500 hours of time that some people care about and others don't. It's called FE time. As such I keep my logbook organized in a way for me to be able to easily include or remove that time from applications / resumes.
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