Should we be concerned for our future?
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#546
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From: 787 Captain
I remember this: A US sitting President did nearly nothing but run for president in his fleeting Senate years. Rendering Ukraine defenseless — in collaboration with then-senator Richard Lugar (R., Ind.), a pillar of Washington’s bipartisan consensus that it is weapons, not rogue regimes, that make the world a dangerous place — was the prodigy’s way of showing he was ready to direct U.S. foreign policy."
"To repeat what I said at the time, “The American government official who was at the forefront of disarming Ukraine was none other than Senator Barack Obama. The Daily Mail had the report back in March:
As a U.S. senator, Barack Obama won $48 million in federal funding to help Ukraine destroy thousands of tons of guns and ammunition – weapons which are now unavailable to the Ukrainian army as it faces down Russian President Vladimir Putin during his invasion of Crimea. In August 2005, just seven months after his swearing-in, Obama traveled to Donetsk in Eastern Ukraine with then-Indiana Republican Senator Dick Lugar, touring a conventional weapons site. The two met in Kiev with President Victor Yushchenko, making the case that an existing Cooperative Threat Reduction Program covering the destruction of nuclear weapons should be expanded to include artillery, small arms, anti-aircraft weapons, and conventional ammunition of all kinds. After a stopover in London, the senators returned to Washington and declared that the U.S. should devote funds to speed up the destruction of more than 400,000 small arms, 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles, and more than 15,000 tons of ammunition.
A press release from then-Senator Lugar’s office included then-Senator Obama’s puerile proclamation that eliminating Ukraine’s stocks of conventional weapons would ensure ‘the safety of the Ukrainian people and people around the world, by keeping them out of conflicts around the world.'”
That went well, no?"
"To repeat what I said at the time, “The American government official who was at the forefront of disarming Ukraine was none other than Senator Barack Obama. The Daily Mail had the report back in March:
As a U.S. senator, Barack Obama won $48 million in federal funding to help Ukraine destroy thousands of tons of guns and ammunition – weapons which are now unavailable to the Ukrainian army as it faces down Russian President Vladimir Putin during his invasion of Crimea. In August 2005, just seven months after his swearing-in, Obama traveled to Donetsk in Eastern Ukraine with then-Indiana Republican Senator Dick Lugar, touring a conventional weapons site. The two met in Kiev with President Victor Yushchenko, making the case that an existing Cooperative Threat Reduction Program covering the destruction of nuclear weapons should be expanded to include artillery, small arms, anti-aircraft weapons, and conventional ammunition of all kinds. After a stopover in London, the senators returned to Washington and declared that the U.S. should devote funds to speed up the destruction of more than 400,000 small arms, 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles, and more than 15,000 tons of ammunition.
A press release from then-Senator Lugar’s office included then-Senator Obama’s puerile proclamation that eliminating Ukraine’s stocks of conventional weapons would ensure ‘the safety of the Ukrainian people and people around the world, by keeping them out of conflicts around the world.'”
That went well, no?"
Oh - I hope you're not arguing that we should've supported Ukraine as a nuclear power??
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From: 787 Captain
Show me one post where anyone called for the US to declare war on Russia.
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Those weapons were going to other countries as illicit arms sales. Ukraine took full advantage of the stockpiles and production capability they gained. The weapons they were making likely wouldn't help them so what they're doing now.
Oh - I hope you're not arguing that we should've supported Ukraine as a nuclear power??
Oh - I hope you're not arguing that we should've supported Ukraine as a nuclear power??
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From: 787 Captain
Clearly fooling you isnt too difficult. Do you have any clue what the Russians are bringing to the fight? The old weaponry stockpiled in, and produced by, Ukraine would not be effective. It was however very effective when shipped to Africa.
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