Originally Posted by emersonbiguns

LOL, you ought to read about Viet Nam and the SSS.

(I forget, we're neither free nor democratic....)

Originally Posted by chihuahua

A lot of Fox, but not everyone, has reverted to full neo-con and seems to be fine risking starting a real WWIII.

Originally Posted by Excargodog

The Finns were never really “neutral” even during their time as nominal USSR allies. Although the Finns-Soviet treaty of 1948 put them in the Soviet sphere of influence and even gave them Soviet “advisors” for their summer training exercises, they routinely did low key training with NATO member Norway in the winter when the Soviet Advisors generally refused to come out to play. Practicing taking out Soviet advisors if the balloon really did go up was generally one of the wintertime joint exercises.

Originally Posted by chihuahua

So it's either "You're with us or you're against us". Just like if you don't support the PATRIOT Act and allowing the NSA/CIA to wipe their asses with the fourth amendment, you supported the terrorists. If you opposed the invasion of Iraq based on dubious proof that they were some sort of threat (it's now been proven it was all made up by the Bush cabal), you were anti-American. Remember "freedom fries" and how stupid that was? Same thing is going on here.

Also, re the part about the insurgency. Ukraine is already destroyed. A lot of Ukrainians will be given refugee status in the U.S. and other western countries, and they are certainly deserving. Their government's policy of not allowing males 14-60 is going to destroy families. A 14 year old is still a kid. A lot of those men are most likely fathers. The excuse you gave for forcing people to join a theoretical insurgency is pure non-sense. A free and democratic government wouldn't force anyone to stay in the country and a fight a war they may not want to participate in. This wasn't the doing of any Ukrainian or Russian citizens. It was the doing of corrupt governments and profiteers in the Russian, Ukrainian, and U.S. governments.

Originally Posted by chihuahua

And enough people finally saw what was happening in Vietnam and decided to fight it because they didn't believe their lives were worth a poorly conceived war with no objectives. Since then, we have had an all volunteer military. As for the idea of Vietnam stopping the spread of communism... well, communism is alive and well on just about every college campus in 2022, so that was an epic fail.

Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB

plenty of people were against invasion of Iraq including myself from day 1. Your use of false equivalencies and gross generalization is weak. Declaring Ukraine a lost cause after 7 days is asinine. You know what destroys families? Russian invasion and forced migration. This isn’t politics you clown, this the outright theft of an entire country and the continuation of the soviet attempt to wipe Ukrainian culture from existence.

Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux

No kidding. Just received a copy of

“ The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner” by Daniel Ellsberg.

Came out a few years ago. Supposedly a written by a whistleblower who did nuclear war/think tank stuff starting back in the 1950’s up until recently.

Seems topical.

Originally Posted by Carebear

Russia just banned Facebook. I wish the entire world would so some of you can get out of your propaganda news chambers of false equivalencies and conspiracy theories.

Originally Posted by chihuahua

Censorship in Russia of information that the Russian government doesn't like is bad, but I would support worldwide censorship of information that I don't like. That's basically what you just said.