Should we be concerned for our future?
03-06-2022 | 05:31 PM
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From the Brussels Summit 2021.
All this panty-twisting for a self-imposed investment target. It turns out the Russian military was letting their heavy equipment rot on tarmacs, but you're complaining that the $1.2T budget wasn't distributed enough.
There are some on this forum who say NATO isn't ready because of the spending shortfalls, and my response is this.
Compared to what?
All this panty-twisting for a self-imposed investment target. It turns out the Russian military was letting their heavy equipment rot on tarmacs, but you're complaining that the $1.2T budget wasn't distributed enough.
There are some on this forum who say NATO isn't ready because of the spending shortfalls, and my response is this.
Compared to what?
This weakening of NATO since the Cold War didn’t go unnoticed.
03-06-2022 | 05:34 PM
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I’m not really sure what your point is…. they were underspending for decades. In 2006, they agreed to bring their spending up to 2%, but still didn’t do it save for the US and a few alternating nations. However, during the Trump admin they actually started to take the US seriously and start spending. Just look at the annual reports.
This weakening of NATO since the Cold War didn’t go unnoticed.
This weakening of NATO since the Cold War didn’t go unnoticed.
People on the outside will see what they want to see.
Here's a 3rd scenario, that Trump was signalling that he was going to withdraw the United States from NATO. And that scared the pants off the Europeans because now the US is an unreliable partner against Russia in wartime.
I don't think you should be proud of that one.
03-06-2022 | 05:39 PM
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From the Brussels Summit 2021.
All this panty-twisting for a self-imposed investment target. It turns out the Russian military was letting their heavy equipment rot on tarmacs, but you're complaining that the $1.2T budget wasn't distributed enough.
There are some on this forum who say NATO isn't ready because of the spending shortfalls, and my response is this.
Compared to what?
All this panty-twisting for a self-imposed investment target. It turns out the Russian military was letting their heavy equipment rot on tarmacs, but you're complaining that the $1.2T budget wasn't distributed enough.
There are some on this forum who say NATO isn't ready because of the spending shortfalls, and my response is this.
Compared to what?
‘I am ****ed off!’ German army official bemoans ‘bare’ forces as Russia invades Ukraine
Senior army official says Germany’s options to support its allies are extremely limited.
German Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht receives a gift from Lt. General Alfons Mais | Sean Gallup/Getty ImagesBY NETTE NÖSTLINGER
February 24, 2022 11:35 amBERLIN — Alfons Mais, the chief of the German army, has sharply criticized the state of the country’s armed forces, slamming underinvestment in its military equipment against the backdrop of a Russian invasion of Ukraine.
“The Bundeswehr, the army that I am privileged to lead, is more or less bare. The options that we can offer the politicians to support the alliance are extremely limited,” Mais wrote in a Linkedin post on Thursday morning.
“We all saw it coming and were not able to get through with our arguments, to draw the conclusions from the Crimean annexation and implement them. This does not feel good! I am ****ed off!” Mais, a lieutenant-general, wrote.
Christine Lambrecht, Germany’s defense minister, had also warned that the Bundeswehr was reaching its capacity limits and demanded more financial support from Finance Minister Christian Lindner and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz during the Munich Security Conference late last week
03-06-2022 | 05:45 PM
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The tone of NATO during the Obama era was why do we need to do anything… the US will do it. We don’t need to worry about anything. So I’d say it was more of the former than the latter. The Brits and Canadians excluded. They were quite capable, professional militaries. As were the French, but they were largely absent from the military arm of NATO for decades.
03-06-2022 | 05:46 PM
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Same article. Again. All you do is vomit the same talking points.
From your own article the Russians spend between $150-180b per year.
NATO combined spending without the United States spends $400b+.
You have no point, other than repeating some German general who has the opinion that his military isn't up to his standards. 1 country out of 30.
From your own article the Russians spend between $150-180b per year.
NATO combined spending without the United States spends $400b+.
You have no point, other than repeating some German general who has the opinion that his military isn't up to his standards. 1 country out of 30.
03-06-2022 | 05:56 PM
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Perhaps because you haven’t even begun to successfully rebut any of them…
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...ine-dont-work/
Germany has pledged hundreds of anti-aircraft missiles to Ukraine. But several of them are useless Cold War relics from East Germany, a report said.
Not just this, they are also packed in boxes so moldy that anyone who handles them needs to wear protective gear.
At least 700 of the 2,700 'Strela' anti-aircraft missiles, which Germany has earmarked for Ukraine are inoperable, Der Spiegel reported. Ukrainian fighters are in dire need of advanced weapons to fend off the Russian invasion. But Germany is sending aging missiles, which are Soviet-made. They date from the era of pre-1990 East German National People's Army.
"The Russian invasion of Ukraine marks a turning point. It threatens our entire post-war order. In this situation, it is our duty to support Ukraine to the best of our ability in its defence against Vladimir Putin's invading army," German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said last week while pledging arms to Ukraine.
The handpieces necessary for firing the missiles are also missing, the report added. The relics are also not safe to use, the report said citing a classified military document.
Not just this, they are also packed in boxes so moldy that anyone who handles them needs to wear protective gear.
At least 700 of the 2,700 'Strela' anti-aircraft missiles, which Germany has earmarked for Ukraine are inoperable, Der Spiegel reported. Ukrainian fighters are in dire need of advanced weapons to fend off the Russian invasion. But Germany is sending aging missiles, which are Soviet-made. They date from the era of pre-1990 East German National People's Army.
"The Russian invasion of Ukraine marks a turning point. It threatens our entire post-war order. In this situation, it is our duty to support Ukraine to the best of our ability in its defence against Vladimir Putin's invading army," German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said last week while pledging arms to Ukraine.
The handpieces necessary for firing the missiles are also missing, the report added. The relics are also not safe to use, the report said citing a classified military document.
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