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Old 02-02-2023, 11:27 AM
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I don't know what the long term future of our careers are, but I'm aggressively saving and investing.

I suggest you all do the same
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Old 02-02-2023, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX View Post
How many years has it taken them to roll out CPDLC?
90% of the time it’s used for freq changes and direct to routing changes. If it takes them this long for CPDLC implementation I’d say we really have nothing to worry about for a long long time.
Mostly agree, but I’ve only a decade left. I don’t really know what to tell proud parents with their 6 year old aviation enthusiast when they ask “how does junior become a pilot?” (Here, take some wings).

I don’t tell them the average pilot “hand flies” 5 minutes or less every leg…with auto throttles, a flight director, an assistant pilot, and numerous automated assist systems.

Pilots don’t live in a vacuum. Our revenue comes from a broad spectrum of middle class travelers, and AI is coming for their jobs. Pilots lose jobs in recessions, and in permanent contractions, lose them permanently.

“The Coming of Neo-Feudalism: A Warning to the Global Middle Class” by Joel Kotkin argues that we’re reverting to a form of the 3 estate system of the pre revolutionary French economy. The middle class will shrink considerably.

There is no immutable law of nature that states advances in technology will have corresponding increases in opportunity and wealth for all.


The good news is that as a major airline pilot, you’re better prepared financially than most for an uncertain future.
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Old 02-02-2023, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
I don't know what the long term future of our careers are, but I'm aggressively saving and investing.

I suggest you all do the same

oh wow, you really believe what you read on the Internet huh?
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Old 02-02-2023, 11:48 AM
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If you ever actually take the time to speak to Oofff you would find that he’s a very pleasant person.

At any rate I also agree that wage growth and productivity gains over the last forty years are not commensurate. That shouldn’t be political, and neither should the fact that AI presents a huge change to society, economics, politics… literally everything. What does it mean when AI and robots can do everything better than us?

The way we interact with and understand the world is fundamentally inadequate to deal with AI that may become inherently better than us
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Originally Posted by Jdub2 View Post
If you ever actually take the time to speak to Oofff you would find that he’s a very pleasant person.



At any rate I also agree that wage growth and productivity gains over the last forty years are not commensurate. That shouldn’t be political, and neither should the fact that AI presents a huge change to society, economics, politics… literally everything. What does it mean when AI and robots can do everything better than us?

The way we interact with and understand the world is fundamentally inadequate to deal with AI that may become inherently better than us
it sounds pessimistic, but it’s a scary future, and I’m not convinced humanity as we know it will make it out the other side.
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If this isnt irony don’t know what is…

The Bloomberg link I keep trying to play the video but everyone I press play and it tries to load and then it quits… then refresh and then it doesn’t even let me press the button it acts like it’s pressing it but it never launches.

have to love technology… never seems to work like you think it’s going to… to Think that everybody thinks that around the corner their pilots jobs are going to be gone. I think it’s actually a paradox…the more technology you put in the airplane is more reason to keep the pilot there.
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Old 02-02-2023, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
So how are those autonomous driving Teslas doing?
Tesla has given up, acknowlding that there is no predictable timeline for developing an AI which is reliable enough for open-world safety functions. AI works much much better in an environment where all variables are quantified and controlled... ex factory assembly line.

I agree that it will happen eventually, but the timeline is pretty long for anything but short haul, small airframes for cargo. Boeing can't even launch an autonomous space capsule without the computer clock being off by 11 hours

I'm sure the CEO was simply tossing out drivel to churn stock valuation, for some purpose known to him but not us.
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Old 02-02-2023, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux View Post
Oofff doesn’t need my help. But his initial comment was spot on.

Productivity gains since 1979 have been completely decoupled from wage growth and the trend is only accelerating. It’s not even a controversial statement.

AI is that, but exponential.

AI gains, particularly if they spread to control airplane flying, are going to be a huge wake-up call to people in our industry who haven’t kept abreast of this trend. Pilots have been fairly insulated until now are in for a very rude awakening.

When/if it happens, of course.
You say AI/full autonomous is exponential. I say it’s asymptotic. What becomes an acceptable difference will be decided by the actuaries.
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Old 02-02-2023, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Tesla has given up, acknowlding that there is no predictable timeline for developing an AI which is reliable enough for open-world safety functions. AI works much much better in an environment where all variables are quantified and controlled... ex factory assembly line.

I agree that it will happen eventually, but the timeline is pretty long for anything but short haul, small airframes for cargo. Boeing can't even launch an autonomous space capsule without the computer clock being off by 11 hours

I'm sure the CEO was simply tossing out drivel to churn stock valuation, for some purpose known to him but not us.
could it also be that Elon is very against AI?
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Originally Posted by Bigapplepilot View Post
That is an excellent video
And it’s eight years old.
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