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05-12-2021 | 06:05 AM
#1121
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It is based on wing span and tail height. Do you guys ever read the text of a NOTAM? For example, a taxiway will be closed to Group III or larger aircraft. Most times they also include the wingspan limits but not always and then you must know what Group number your aircraft is in.
https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...ive-201705.pdf
https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...ive-201705.pdf
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05-12-2021 | 06:53 AM
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05-12-2021 | 08:47 AM
#1124
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This document is 300 pages long, and a ctrl+f wasn't helpful. Do you have a concise reference that defines group numbers? I haven't had a practical need for this info in my 12 years of transport and large military aircraft, but that doesn't mean I won't tomorrow.
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doesn’t copy and paste well though
05-12-2021 | 10:14 AM
#1125
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Part 121 uses Group I & II differently, these definitions need to be used in the proper context...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.400
Pretty sure the job requirements refer to the 121 definition (jets).
Otherwise they are limiting their applicants to only people who have thousands of hours in a *very* specific subset of small-ish aircraft (aircraft design group II).
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.400
Pretty sure the job requirements refer to the 121 definition (jets).
Otherwise they are limiting their applicants to only people who have thousands of hours in a *very* specific subset of small-ish aircraft (aircraft design group II).
05-12-2021 | 12:51 PM
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Part 121 uses Group I & II differently, these definitions need to be used in the proper context...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.400
Pretty sure the job requirements refer to the 121 definition (jets).
Otherwise they are limiting their applicants to only people who have thousands of hours in a *very* specific subset of small-ish aircraft (aircraft design group II).
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.400
Pretty sure the job requirements refer to the 121 definition (jets).
Otherwise they are limiting their applicants to only people who have thousands of hours in a *very* specific subset of small-ish aircraft (aircraft design group II).
05-12-2021 | 01:10 PM
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The debate isn’t about what Breeze means by it…that’s obviously clear. It’s about where they came up with this term and definition of “group II” meaning turbojet aircraft greater than 41,000lb, as that isn’t a thing (at least that I can find). There are categorizations of aircraft that use 41,000 lbs as a delineation (FAA wake categories, for example), but “group II” isn’t one of those categorizations.
05-12-2021 | 04:16 PM
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05-13-2021 | 04:54 AM
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You were correct though, under-wing mounted engine time is the most important logbook statistic only beaten by over-wing mounted engine time. And glider time, but only because those things are powered by magic.
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