Unless they're stuck at a really bad regional, why risk it? Better wages maybe, but even more risky than a regional in the mid-term. Yeah there will always be people who will go, but a startup is going to be a lot of work. And again, they need LCA, sim guys, and people with certificate experience. The FAA simply won't let them do a startup with the dregs of the regional lifers.

 

Unfortunately I disagree. F9 has had no issue with filling classes in 2018. There are plenty of regional applicants that don't have flow. Most know that the early pilots hired at WestJet all became millionaires from the stock options fairly quick. I'm not saying that will repeat but wages higher than a regional is viewed as a career advancement to somebody making regional wages.

 

Is record starting airlines is excellent. They are either still operating or merged like Morris with SWA. Based on his history it’s low risk with the potential for big rewards.
As far as the FAA if the pilots can pass a check ride they are good to go. The only pilots even hired during the certification process will be management and check airman.

 

Anyone have any latest greatest about Moxy? I'm curious as to how things turn out and develop. Not much info out there. Could be interesting.

 

I hope you are right. But there are pilots taking jobs for $100K to fly a 787 for OSM (NAI). There will be plenty of pilots who fill out an application and explain it away as getting in on the ground floor and talk about a fun “culture”, and being a part of something great. They’ll also have it in the back of their mind that the A220 type will help them get on at Delta.

We are our own worst enemy.

The biggest obstacle (not saying it’s right or wrong) is our government. They allow a start up to offer $19 fares on a route that is another Airline’s bread and butter, and that’s ok, but if said airline offers $15 on the same route, that’s predatory pricing, and illegal.

A start up can use their advantage (low cost structure) to under cut you, but you can’t use your advantage (volume and route structure) to defend your business.

 

I’m super early on in my career with no family obligations. I’d happily roll the dice on a startup because if it fails in 5 years I still have plenty of time to recover, and if it takes off I can retire early.

 

Start paying the smart, experienced pilots at 10 years longevity. Once the cert is granted and you're ready to hire your run of the mill line pilots, start them at the bottom of the scale.

Will there be a bucket load of pilots busting down the door to go there? Nope. But there will be enough to fill classes. If not, you tweak the starting pay and incentives just enough to keep the classes full.

 

When is the proposed startup date again? 2021? With all of the needed planning (including official brand name since Moxy was temporary), we probably won’t hear any details for another 6-12 months. I am interested to hear more about their model and how they will compete against the Legacies and LCCs....

 

If you put as much research in as you did with the mini-bus, the results should be worthy of a NY analyst.

 

Except when that airline fails and it's a bad economy and no one is hiring except bottom feeders that pay even less for more work and then the FAA raises retirement age to 70 because those senior guys can't retire with 10 million in the bank and need to work 5 more yrs to pay for their 4th wife and 5th house and you get stuck at said bottom feeder for 10 yrs and now have an investigation on your record because that crap company won't do maintenance and you went anyways because hey gotta have a job and they'll fire you if you don't so now you can't move on as easily as thought when you went to that startup and your peers who went with a household name are still there albeit not a captain but making a comfortable living and not hating their decisions of going with that startup when everyone else was hiring .
How's that for a run on sentence?