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Old 02-26-2018 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotlyfe
I currently have four checkride failures all from GA. I failed my initial Private, Private multi add on, and my CFI single add on twice. That last one regarding my CFI was, as stated, not my initial. I passed my initial CFI the first time. I did the checkride as an MEI applicant. However, after obtaining my MEI, I ended up failing the single engine add on to my CFI twice. I am currently working as a FO at a Part 135 cargo company in a twin turbine aircraft and I didn't fail the training program. My plan is to become a captain and gain some twin turbine PIC. Overall, my question is could I still get hired at a regional like EDV or one of the AA wholly owneds with these credentials and past training record? What are my chances of getting on with a major like Delta? I know that four failures is a lot however I am wondering if I still might have a chance at a good regional or even any major. Thank you in advance to any who respond
DAL chance is probably 0%, unless the industry really changes or you have some seriously epic aviation or whole-person credentials. As for the rest of the Big-6, you might have a shot eventually if you accumulate thousands of hours, years of experience, and multiple type ratings.

Relatively "good" regionals, yes after some 135 TPIC. AA wholly-owned? I don't know, I think they may have hard standards for number of busts, you should ask around to see if anyone can share specifics.
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Old 02-26-2018 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer
Even your initial CFI one??

Isn't it almost a right of passage to bust that one on the first try??

I'm kind of joking, but kind of serious as well.
There are lots of people who don’t bust the initial CFI....they’re smart enough not to take it til they’re ready.
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Old 02-26-2018 | 09:32 PM
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Nick Foles said this after he won the super bowl. I think he’s spot on!

“I think the big thing is don’t be afraid to fail,” Foles said. “In our society today, with Instagram and Twitter, it’s a highlight. It’s all the good things. When you look at it, you have a bad day, you think your life isn’t as good, you’re failing. Failure is a part of life. It’s a part of building character and growing. Without failure, who would you be? I wouldn’t be up here if I hadn’t fallen thousands of times, made mistakes. We all are human. We all have weaknesses. Just being able to share that and be transparent.

“I know when people speak and share they’re weaknesses, I listen. Because I can (relate). I’m not perfect. I’m not Superman. We might be in the NFL and we might have just won the Super Bowl, but we all have daily struggles. That’s where my faith comes in. That’s where my family comes in. I think when you look at a struggle in your life, just know that it’s an opportunity for your character to grow.”
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Old 02-27-2018 | 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Kimchiflyrice
Hey, All.

I’m having issues. I did most of my training at ATP and was going through a lot of personal stuff during that time. My dad was diagnosed with cancer and I was involved in a major car wreck. Excuses aside, I failed 5 checkrides throughout my training.

I’ve recently hit my 1500 hours and have found it incredibly difficult to get a 121 job. If my application doesn’t get rejected, I do in the interview. 5 failures is a lot. Above average. Most fail 2. This is not a reflection of the pilot that I am today. It’s been 3 years since my last failure, but still an issue.

I suppose I am here out of desperation. I need advice because the rejections are hitting me hard and I don’t know how to move on from here. Being an instructor is great, but it takes a toll on me and I’m at the end of my rope.

If you have any positive suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
You stated that your checkride failures are not a reflection of the pilot you are today. Understood. What you need is something that does reflect the the pilot you are today, and that something will be found in building some distance and space and a spotless work history and track record. Three years is a start, but not a lot of time or distance.

There may be some valid reasons why your training was not a success, but you may also have some difficulty finding someone to listen to those reasons. First you need to get to that point, and what will get you there is establishing a strong work history. You can put the past behind you.

Others have noted that failed checkrides never go away, and they're correct. There's a balance to everything, however, and what you need right now is the ability to paint a picture of what you hope others will see in you.

Understand that the 121 world is neither the be-all nor end-all of aviation. There are many career paths, many choices. Not all of them are open to everyone; not everyone can find a military training billet. Not everyone has a degree. Not everyone has a future here or there, but that doesn't need to stay true forever, and likewise just because one direction is not the path, does not preclude another. Choose another method to skin the cat.

You can come back to the cat later, if you wish.

If you're instructing right now, look to 135. Look to ag, look to doing something else, somewhere, that involves your being vetted, checked, and approved under a program that's known and recognized. Go fly jumpers for a while. Spend a summer flying air attack on a fire contract. Go do air ambulance, cloud seeding, aerial photography or survey work.

The real question is how badly do you want it?
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Old 02-27-2018 | 02:46 AM
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I've met many people that have multiple failures there.
I think some regional airlines will realize that some schools generate a high # of pink slips. Not sure what a major will think.

Originally Posted by pilotlyfe
I currently have four checkride failures all from GA. I failed my initial Private, Private multi add on, and my CFI single add on twice. That last one regarding my CFI was, as stated, not my initial. I passed my initial CFI the first time. I did the checkride as an MEI applicant. However, after obtaining my MEI, I ended up failing the single engine add on to my CFI twice. I am currently working as a FO at a Part 135 cargo company in a twin turbine aircraft and I didn't fail the training program. My plan is to become a captain and gain some twin turbine PIC. Overall, my question is could I still get hired at a regional like EDV or one of the AA wholly owneds with these credentials and past training record? What are my chances of getting on with a major like Delta? I know that four failures is a lot however I am wondering if I still might have a chance at a good regional or even any major. Thank you in advance to any who respond
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Old 02-27-2018 | 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
If you’re sick of flight Instructing take a couple of days off and ask yourself what you can do to improve it.
You may be doing it for a while.
And there’s nothing wrong with that.
Plenty of career instructors.
Your instructional experience will give you more insight into why you failed the rides the way you did.
How many students have you had and how many have you signed off and how many have failed?
Get that number down also.
Instrument and ME are also the most dangerous forms of flight instruct as you will find out.
Opportunities to learn and gain experience.
Keep in touch with former students as one of them may very well give you a lead one day.
If you were nice to them that is
You didn’t answer yet.
It’s certainly not over yet but settle down.
You’re out of the fast lane.
Better get good at what you do before moving on.
I’ve missed two hiring booms in my career myself , I’ll never fly for Delta, get used to it.
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Old 02-27-2018 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TheRaven
There are lots of people who don’t bust the initial CFI....they’re smart enough not to take it til they’re ready.
And there are apparently many DPEs who make it a point to fail everyone on their first CFI-initial.

Originally Posted by Paladin145
I've met many people that have multiple failures there.
I think some regional airlines will realize that some schools generate a high # of pink slips. Not sure what a major will think.
Yes, ATP is notorious for forcing students to take checkrides even if they are not prepared.
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Old 03-04-2018 | 10:20 AM
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Try Mountain Air Cargo. Be willing to be assigned a base. It’s all C208. If you can fly basic IFR, you’ll do fine. If your basics are the root of the problem, it may be time to make tougher choices.
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Old 03-04-2018 | 02:15 PM
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ATP strikes again!
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Old 03-25-2018 | 08:55 PM
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I had a problem in this regard. I failed my initial commercial checkride twice by the same DPE. I did a little soul searching and resolved it to three different things:

Case 1) My flying skills are so poor that, despite my instructor’s best efforts, the FAA cannot certify me as a commercial pilot.

Case 2) I’m a competent pilot but was poorly trained by my CFIs and cannot be licensed by the FAA with my current flying standards.

Case 3) I’m a competent pilot, my CFIs trained me well but the DPE was gunning to fail me before the checkride even began.

So I went up with no less than three (3) CFIs who couldn’t find anything wrong with my flying ability. I then took the commercial checkride with a different DPE, who passed me with flying colors. Conclusion: the first DPE was a total prick and either trying to fail applicants or specifically part 61 applicants.

Now try explaining that to a potential employer.

I’ll continue on and get my CFI, CFII, MEI, maybe a seaplane rating or possibly add helicopter onto my list of checkride. If I fail another, I’ll give up on the idea of flying for a career.
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