Originally Posted by futurepilot11

you were originally correct, but your correction is invalid.

It is possible to get your r-atp at 1500 hours being 21 years of age without a part 141 accredited aviation degree program.

From FAA press release:

Airline Transport Pilot Certificate with restricted privileges

At least 21 years old;
Hold commercial pilot certificate with instrument rating;
Successfully complete new ATP Certification Training Program prior to taking the ATP knowledge test (after July 31, 2014);
Pass ATP knowledge and practical tests; and
At least 750 hours total time as (military pilots); or
At least 1,000 hours total time as pilot and a Bachelor's degree with an aviation major; or
At least 1,250 hours total time as pilot and an Associate's degree with an aviation major; OR
1,500 total time as a pilot.

As the last line suggests, as long as you meet the 1500 hour requirement, you are eligible for the r-atp at 21


From Mesa airlines website:

Restricted ATP 1500 Hours Total Time Requirements
1500 hours Total Flight Time
200 hours Cross Country Time
100 hours Total Night Time
25 hours Multi Engine Time, Fixed Wing
250 hours of Pilot in Command Time, Fixed wing
75 hours of Instrument Time
Commercial Pilot Certificate with Multi Engine and Instrument ratings
Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate
Ability to demonstrate instrument proficiency
ATP Written (CTP training can be provided to qualified applicants)
FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit
Current Valid Passport
At least 21 years of age
Legally authorized to work in the U.S.
Able to pass security background check and FAA mandated drug test
High school diploma or GED
Ability to read and speak English language

Again, this reiterates the fact that a restricted atp is possible to obtain at 21 years old, so long as you meet the 1500 hour requirement.

I hope the clarifies everything



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Originally Posted by rickair7777

I quoted the FAR's (from the federal website).

You quoted mesa airline's website???

When did the FAR change, and why is that not posted on the CFR website?

I think you, and maybe people at mesa, are misinterpreting the law.

Show me where an ACTUAL FAR says you can get an RATP without meeting the requirements of 61.160

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with an RATP at 21 y/o w/ 1500 hours, but I really don't see that in the regs. Maybe it's in there somewhere, but the FAA cannot change the FARs with a press release.

Originally Posted by futurepilot11

the requirements according to 61.160 are the following for a restricted atp

§ 61.160. A pilot may be eligible if he or she was a military-trained pilot; a graduate of a four-year bachelor degree program with an aviation major; a graduate of a two-year associate degree program with an aviation major; or has 1,500 hours total time as a pilot.

Again, 1,500 hours total time makes you eligible for the restricted atp at 21 years of age along with the others.

Also, yeah it probably was not the best idea to quote from the Mesa Airlines site


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