You mean "thus" your application. Case in point about small errors.



Well, I CAN calculate the amount of time it's taking to manually enter 20+ years of flying in to the electronic logbook: fricking eons. I'm roughly 25 hours in to the project and, though the pace IS picking up, and much of that was spent fiddling around with the trial versions of software, I'm STILL back in the C150 working on my "time building" days of yore, from 1999/2000. Oy Gevalt...

The paper log takes me about 1 hour per month to rectify. Thus I have invested 2+ years of paper logbook goofiness in to the electronic logbook, with no end in sight, and I will STILL have to take the paper ones to my next interview. And errors are made in the transcription process which slow me down further.

And I kind of like writing in my book.

But I see your point(s). I dunno...I might just keep doin' what I'm doin'. I'm not a millenial and newer technology is often not gooder.

Thanks for your POVs.

 

I hope you can forgive me for not putting the same due diligence into this post as I did an application for a 10+ million dollar job



GP

 

How does one input the endorsements, signatures, etc from all that beginning training.....?

Second, at the interview, do you then print your entire digital logbook, or just hand over the program/ file for them to look at?

Thanks

 

If you are considering MCC Pilot Log, here’s my experience:

I purchased MCC Pilot Log Enterprise Edition (Lifetime) 5 months ago because I had heard good reviews and the company’s web site pitched how there were no subscription fees. It cost me about $81.09 after the EUR conversion. The MCC Pilot Log web site states “We do not run a subscription plan. We have 3 editions with one-time fee for life-time use. The basic STD Edition is even FREE.”

During these 5 months I used the software, but suddenly the airline interface stopped working. I went to the support page to log a support ticket and was greeted with the following message:

“IMPORTANT NOTE : 10 years after the first release, and 2600 changes and fixes later, it was time to rebuild mccPILOTLOG on new fundaments.

mccPILOTLOG is still available to existing customers. New customers can still purchase mccPILOTLOG, if they want. However, we are no longer updating mccPILOTLOG. Instead, the team is focusing on the new logbook. We recommend all pilots to migrate to our new app CrewLounge PILOTLOG !”

After my initial disbelief and further investigation I found the FAQ page for people like me who had just purchased what was sold as a lifetime license. Below is an excerpt from the company’s FAQ page:

” I paid for mccPILOTLOG, do I have to pay again ?
We keep our word : your license for mccPILOTLOG remains valid ! You have paid for a lifetime use of mccPILOTLOG, so you can continue to using mccPILOTLOG as long as you want. We do not terminate mccPILOTLOG, your logbook continues to run. We do not terminate support, you continue to receiving the same support as before.
We only terminate further updating and bug fixing. Our team is now focusing on the CrewLounge AERO Suite, a completely new platform created with the latest coding technologies and security protocols. CrewLounge PILOTLOG, as part of the CrewLounge AERO Suite, is the new pilot logbook to replace mccPILOTLOG. CrewLounge PILOTLOG is subscription based, we do no longer offer one-time payments.
We invite all pilots with a lifetime license for mccPILOTLOG to migrate and enjoy the new CrewLounge AERO Suite ! We certainly understand that you are reluctant to switching to a subscription plan. We have GOOD news for you : You don’t !
Contrary to our competitors, that either ceased to exist, or that canceled all license keys and forced users into a subscription plan, we offer grandfathering rights to all users of mccPILOTLOG ! You can now migrate your lifetime license from mccPILOTLOG to CrewLounge PILOTLOG with a one-time contribution ! Buy 3 years and get Lifetime ! No subscription, no extra charges ! We will also pay the VAT for you !
That’s true ! All pilots with a lifetime license for mccPILOTLOG can now transfer their license to the new CrewLounge PILOTLOG application and be excluded from subscriptions, for lifetime! This offer is limited in time !
As a bonus, you receive a free 1-year license for the popular calendar app CrewLounge CONNECT (value 12.00 EUR) ! And, as an extra bonus, all PRO users (mccPILOTLOG) can now free upgrade to ENT (CrewLounge PILOTLOG) without being charged extra !
So, here is our offer :
• purchase 3 years of the new CrewLounge PILOTLOG software (*)
• get 10% immediate discount (for 3-year orders)
• get another 20% discount (that is, we will pay the VAT applicable to your country)
• transfer your Lifetime license to CrewLounge PILOTLOG (be excluded from subscriptions)
• upgrade to a higher Edition ENT or the new ENT+ (even if you are on PRO today)
• get 1 year free use of our popular roster app CrewLounge CONNECT


This is a temporary offer, we hold the right to terminate this offer at any time !
(*) Pilots that purchased mccPILOTLOG in 2019, can upgrade with paying only 1-year subscription to CrewLounge AERO.”

Essentially, the lifetime software I just purchased will not be updated any more. Therefore, the airline interface will not be fixed. In other words, my software is now useless to me.

But wait, I checked out their upgrade offer and found that I will need to pay for 3 years up front to get the lifetime subscription that I already paid for 5 months ago. The price is 2.99 EUR/month or about $3.35/month as of today. A total of about $120.00. Believe it or not, I actually considered just paying the money and moving on with my life. So I downloaded the trial version of the new CrewLounge Pilot Log, imported my data and tried to download my schedule with the airline interface. Of course – it doesn’t work.

Overall, my experience with this company is extremely negative. I would not recommend MCC Pilot Log or CrewLounge Pilot Log. You will be disappointed and will end up having to pay for a real logbook program from a reputable company. Good luck folks. Learning is a change in behavior as a result of experience.

 

For anyone who's interested, I made an excel logbook that mimics LogTen Pro. I really like the app, and tried it out for a little while, but don't feel like it's features justify $80/year. And I know that I could use MyFlightBook for free, but I didn't quite like the look of the layout, and I don't feel like it does what I want it to. So I made my own excel version that will track a lot of the same things that LogTen tracks, like instrument and landing currency, time flown in the past 7/30/60/90 days, and obviously it automatically totals all your time, landings, approaches, etc.

In addition to telling you how many landings you've done in the past 90 days and how many approaches/holds you've done in the past six months, it's also color coded to tell you when you're current (green), your currency has expired (red), or your currency is expiring soon - which is two weeks out (amber). If you're night current, but not day current, it'll still show you as day current, and if your holds are current but not your approaches (or vise versa), it distinguishes between the two and gives you different expiration dates for each so you know when your overall instrument currency expires.

I don't know if anyone will find it useful, but I thought I'd share it in case anyone else likes the currency tracking features of LogTen, but who don't find the overall app worth the price. Follow the link below and go to "File: make a copy" to save your own copy and fill in your time. At the bottom you'll see two tabs, one that says logbook and one that says currency tracking. Let me know if you have any feedback/if you find it useful.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

 

This question was asked and not answered a couple years ago. What is the expectation at regional interviews re: e logs?

 

I believe all airlines expect you to print your electronic logbook out. You can put it in a fancy logbook binder, an inexpensive checkbook binder, or have it spiral bound. It’s probably easiest to make a pdf file of your logbook on a USB drive, take it to a print shop such as Staples, have them print it double sided and spiral bind it with a clear cover or simple card stock cover.

You will need to also bring all old logbooks with you which should have your original endorsements in it. Your electronic logbook may duplicate the information in your original logbooks but they will still want you to bring both. I don’t think you need to import endorsements into your digital logbook, but it wouldn’t hurt to keep digital copies somewhere just in case the original is ever lost.

 

Printed electronic logbook with signatures typically.

 

I've been using LogTen Pro since my very first flight, and SkyWest is paying the subscription fee for the program for two years.

It's far safer than having a physical copy, which could be lost or destroyed.

 

You still need a physical book for endorsements, you'll just rarely use it once you get into 121 unless you do GA for fun.