Checkride Failures
06-16-2023, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
What do you think "pyramid scheme" means?
Your explanation is irrelevant. Your story is irrelevant.
You asked how you deal with this in the future, and you've been told. It's very simple. LISTEN.
Do not blame the check airman. Do not tell your story. You say this, and this only: you screwed up. You failed. You took the test again, and passed. End of story.
Say nothing more than this. Don't blather about how you were wronged. Don't put down the check airman. Don't put down the school. Stop referring to a "pyramid scheme." Stop justifying it.
You failed a checkride. It doesn't matter if you failed because you wore the wrong clothes, or the check airman was a gorilla, or because of solar flares. You failed. You can state why you failed. That's it. State nothing more about your failure, other than it was your failure. State nothing more about the check airman than you came back and took the test again with the same guy, and you passed. That's it. You learned from your mistakes, and you passed.
You say anything more, and it will only make you look bad. Believe this. Embrace it. If you fail to do so, it will only harm you.
Your explanation is irrelevant. Your story is irrelevant.
You asked how you deal with this in the future, and you've been told. It's very simple. LISTEN.
Do not blame the check airman. Do not tell your story. You say this, and this only: you screwed up. You failed. You took the test again, and passed. End of story.
Say nothing more than this. Don't blather about how you were wronged. Don't put down the check airman. Don't put down the school. Stop referring to a "pyramid scheme." Stop justifying it.
You failed a checkride. It doesn't matter if you failed because you wore the wrong clothes, or the check airman was a gorilla, or because of solar flares. You failed. You can state why you failed. That's it. State nothing more about your failure, other than it was your failure. State nothing more about the check airman than you came back and took the test again with the same guy, and you passed. That's it. You learned from your mistakes, and you passed.
You say anything more, and it will only make you look bad. Believe this. Embrace it. If you fail to do so, it will only harm you.
06-17-2023, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by seyepape
I was referring for the facts that he has been breaking rules by not following the standards. DPE are supposed to evaluate candidates by going over the ACS for the knowledge not asking only 3 questions because he might like the person. They should not take over controls unless a deviation occurs in flight nor teach during a checkride. FAA invalidated 140 checkride in Alaska because the DPE was not giving full checkride to some of the students which bring the questions of favoritism or discrimination. I am well aware of telling my story will not help in my case. I definitely learned my lesson from that experience. I wanted to get insights wether report him or not for breaking the rules. Anyway, I appreciate your feedback.
One thing if it's a blatant safety issue, like a drunk captain. Different if it's just procedural or even corruption. Part 91 is a nasty place and you're probably not going to change that, even if you go out in a blaze of glory.
06-17-2023, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by seyepape
. . . . They should not take over controls unless a deviation occurs in flight nor teach during a checkride. . ..
06-17-2023, 12:43 PM
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Nobody ever does but you can appeal a checkride with the FAA.
They’ll get your story and the DPE’s story and then you’ll fly with an FAA Inspector.
Expect a page 1, chapter 1, paragraph 1 checkride.
They wrote the book and they’ll do the checkride by the book. Expect about 3 months delay depending on how busy the FSDO is.
By the way, regulatory doesn’t equal safe.
Thats bad judgement right there, you always have an alternate. Even on a VFR flight. Always always always. Some senior does a gear up landing and blocks the runway for the next two hours, where do you go?
There is no such thing as a bad student, only a bad teacher (within reason).
I think you were ill prepared and probably regurgitated the same material over and over again and you couldn’t think or reason your way out of a question.
Read the guidance in the ACS, I don’t recall it saying anywhere you can look up.
Its leniency.
They’ll get your story and the DPE’s story and then you’ll fly with an FAA Inspector.
Expect a page 1, chapter 1, paragraph 1 checkride.
They wrote the book and they’ll do the checkride by the book. Expect about 3 months delay depending on how busy the FSDO is.
By the way, regulatory doesn’t equal safe.
So I received a notice of disapproval because I did not include alternates on my nav log even though the weather along my flight plan was VFR all the way to my destination.
There is no such thing as a bad student, only a bad teacher (within reason).
I think you were ill prepared and probably regurgitated the same material over and over again and you couldn’t think or reason your way out of a question.
Read the guidance in the ACS, I don’t recall it saying anywhere you can look up.
Its leniency.
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