rickair7777

Careful. You cannot recieve (or give) indefinite dual instruction for time-building purposes. FAA would be unhappy if they ever noticed, but employers would actually be more likely to notice when they review your logbook at an interview.

Dual has to have a legit purpose. Obvious...
- Training for rating or cert, or operating privilege
- Currency
- FR/IPC

Also legit...
- Fam in a new aircraft
- Refresher on a not-new aircraft (nobody will complain if you want to go above and beyond FR requirements)
- Area fam, or route fam
- Insurance or Club requirement
- Condition of flight fam (ie want to go get some IMC but prefer an instructor on board for safety)

What you can't do is just log cross country with no training manuevers indefinitely, for the obvious purpose of time building vice instruction.

JohnBurke

Sure you can. It may be pointless, but there is no regulation prohibiting it. Yes, it doesn't look good in a logbook to an employer, and no, the FAA has never brought enforcement action against an instructor for "giving too much instruction," or for giving instruction that wasn't meaningful enough.

Instruction should have a purpose, and there does come a point of diminishing returns when the FAA (and Chief Legal Counsel) would say that frivolity no longer meets the standard of providing instruction, but there is no regulation limiting the amount, or specifying what cannot be taught, or endorsed, as instruction given. But that wasn't really the point.

The point was that the original poster has no means of logging the flight time, presently, other than an endorsement as instruction received. Whether he should log that is another matter. I did not say he should.

Sliceback

If they're flying passengers I don't think you're allowed to give dual at the same time. In training program with a CKA? Sure. Just a seat filler hoping to be able to log the time? Uhhhh....no.

Farangutan

If I were you I would've been studying and training to become a CFI in my free time. Which it sounds like you have plenty time on your hands. Get those written exams completed and then use one of those 2 week off periods to prep for and take the check ride. You are getting time getting used to flying in the right anyways.

JohnBurke

It's a turbojet certificated for single pilot operations. He's not qualified under their pilot development program, as he says he's not ready to take a checkride; that is the same qualification necessary to act as SIC, which means the operator must be doing single pilot IFR operations by OpSpec. Accordingly, the only possiblity to log the time at all would be on empty legs, and he's not qualified in the aircraft so can't log it any other way but as instruction received.

Even in a training program with a check airman, he'd have to be qualified in the aircraft, and he's not, which is why he hasn't been able to log any of his sixty hours thus far.

If he were in an aircraft for which he were rated (category, class, and in this case, type), he could log the sole-manipulator legs, but if he were qualified in the aircraft, he's probably be comfortable taking the checkride. Presently, he's a passenger.

rickair7777

I recall case history where the FAA has come down on folks for doing that. The regs don't have to specify a hard limit, the implied intent is pretty obvious, and FAA has obvious leeway to interpret.

The one I recall specifically was some kind of single pilot cargo run, same out-and-back flight every day, same plane, same two pilots and the guy in the right seat logged dual for over a year of that. I don't think the guy got in trouble, but he got turned away from his ATP checkride and told to go fix his logbook, get the time he still needed ina legit manner, and try again later.

Any student who actually *needs* that much dual is probably on the JFK junior end of the bell curve, so that would be a flag for an examiner. If somebody had sent me a student with an extreme amount of dual I would have stepped out and called the CFI to find out what was going on, before putting my name on a temp.

I wouldn't consider it as outright fraud (ie P-51 time), since the person was actually in a airplane at a control station and presumably helping out. But not necessarily legit time for aeronautical experience purposes.

Azpilot06

At the end of all of this...

Either invest the time, effort, and resources to qualify as a competent SIC so you can log flight experience in a turbojet for a 135...

or invest the time, effort, and resources to be able to instruct and log a bunch of time in piston singles.

The choice of path is yours, but moving forward will involve additional time, effort, and resources.