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Old 02-07-2024, 06:24 PM
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Hello Everyone,

I am a new low hour CSEL pilot, and just got my first flying job, and was hoping to get some advice from some more experienced pilots.
Ive been lurking on these forums for quite some time and have seen some similar posts that were offered really great advice so I figured this would be a good place to ask.

I just got my first flying job and passed their training with no issues, and will start in the next couple weeks. Everything has been perfect except my boss wants me to fudge my experience in aircraft type for insurance purposes; basically say I have more hours than I do. He says If i dont, then ill have to work unpaid with him until I get those hours. Its not a LOT of hours hes saying to add but still....It dosent sit right with me.

Also, he said to turn off Xpndr and ADSB...i get it, I dont love it, but i know if its installed it should be on.

What do you guys think? I dont want to be a problem, but Ive worked really hard for my ratings and dont intend to mess it up now. I dont know If maybe these things are common in the real world especially for these types of operators, and maybe im over thinking it a bit, but it just dosent feel right.

Thanks in advance for any help and i Know this really is a newbie question so....Let the abuse begin!
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Old 02-07-2024, 07:16 PM
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If you ever get any benefit from dishonesty it is always short term at the expense of long term. You can't put a price on your integrity. You can be truthful 1000 times and undo it all with one lie. Not to mention, lying this time makes it easier to lie next time. It might take a long time, but eventually it'll catch up to you. I'd be honest with the boss and tell him straight up, "if I can lie to the insurance company than I can lie to you. I want to be a trustworthy employee". Make it about it being in his best interest for you to do the right thing.

On the other hand, he's shown his colors. I wouldn't necessarily run away from the job, sometimes beggers can't be choosers and you need the job. That said, I wouldn't respect him and I wouldn't believe anything he said unless I had it in writing. Not to be bitter or anything, just keep realistic expectations. Its just a buisiness transaction. Stay as long as its worth your while but don't get too attached to the place. Also, double check your pay stubs!

Working for free sucks for lots of reasons you probably haven't thought about. Its also illegal unless he's got a non-profit. If you hurt your back loading luggage or fall off the fuel ladder - are you covered by workers comp? Who's liable in the event of an accident? Are these revenue flights?

Sometimes these types will see how far they can push you... standing up for yourself could earn yourself some respect.
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Old 02-07-2024, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyrider12 View Post
Everything has been perfect except my boss wants me to fudge my experience in aircraft type for insurance purposes; basically say I have more hours than I do. He says If i dont, then ill have to work unpaid with him until I get those hours. Its not a LOT of hours hes saying to add but still....It dosent sit right with me.
Your boss is asking you to commit a crime (fraud), and he's not discreet about it. He knows that it will cost more money for insurance, until you meet a certain minimum. He's asking you to commit a crime in order to save money, and explaining that he'll simply have you work without pay, if you don't commit the crime for him.

Do you really need someone to tell you that this is wrong? It's illegal, and it's unethical.

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Also, he said to turn off Xpndr and ADSB...i get it, I dont love it, but i know if its installed it should be on.
What do you get? His point, that it's better turned off? That it works? That it could save your life, or someone else's life? That it's required? Which part do ou get?

Which part do you not love?

You know it should be turned on. That's all that need be said. Do what you know.

Your boss is unethical. Find someone else to work for. He's dishonest. What corners is he cutting on paperwork? Maintenance? You think he'll back you with the FAA, or a legal issue, if he has the chance to throw you under the bus to save himself? He's dishonorable. Find another place to work.

Personally, I wouldn't even give him notice. I'd just leave. Your boss isn't worth a second thought. There are a lot like your boss out there. Avoid them.
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Old 02-07-2024, 08:03 PM
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[QUOTE=Skyrider.. Everything has been perfect except my boss wants me to fudge my experience in aircraft type for insurance purposes[/QUOTE]

..Use caution with your new boss..If he wants you to lie, he is probably doing the same himself..I recommend you check the airplane, mx etc. very carefully to make sure everything is legal before going anywhere, to protect yourself and your license..Good luck !!

Fly safe,
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Old 02-07-2024, 08:46 PM
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Find a new job, asap. Fortunately times are good for pilot job seekers. Easy call.
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Old 02-08-2024, 12:08 AM
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yeah man, quit that job yesterday and blow the whistle on that guy to the FAA. You donít owe him anything and he will not back you when it hits the fan. No employer like that will.
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Hey Skyrider12... Print the reg... Read the reg. Keep it in the back of your logbook if you are ever tempted become a P51 author of fiction of your experience. Your employer told you to operate the aircraft with the TXB - and ADS-B Off. Wasn't that a red flag warning to you about this chiseler? You that naive to think your employer is going to come to your rescue at your hearings, if you're violated? You're not an 18 year old, by your profile, you're almost 31, and should have the capacity in life to choose wisely.

ß 61.59 Falsification, reproduction, or alteration of applications, certificates, logbooks, reports, or records.

(a) No person may make or cause to be made:
(1) Any fraudulent or intentionally false statement on any application for a certificate, rating,
authorization, or duplicate thereof, issued under this part;
(2) Any fraudulent or intentionally false entry in any logbook, record, or report that is required to be kept, made, or used to show compliance with any requirement for the issuance or exercise of the privileges of any certificate, rating, or authorization under this part;
(3) Any reproduction for fraudulent purpose of any certificate, rating, or authorization, under this part; or
(4) Any alteration of any certificate, rating, or authorization under this part.

(b) The commission of an act prohibited under paragraph (a) of this section is a basis for suspending or
revoking any airman certificate, rating, or authorization held by that person.

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For what it's worth, this creates about a dozen "Tell me about a time" answers you can use in future interviews.

"Tell me about a time you considered breaking a regulation."
"Tell me about a time you saw that safety was being compromised"

etc...
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Old 02-08-2024, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dreadFOroberts View Post
For what it's worth, this creates about a dozen "Tell me about a time" answers you can use in future interviews.

"Tell me about a time you considered breaking a regulation."
"Tell me about a time you saw that safety was being compromised"

etc...
One more question to add:

Tell us why you had to seek advice from an aviation forum to make a concerted dicision.
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Old 02-08-2024, 08:33 AM
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Thank you all for your responses... I really appreciate it.

Yea, I know I shouldnt have to ask other people as I KNOW the regs and should know better, but if anything this helps to solidify the decision I already made.
Also, I agree it would make for some great interview material. Well too bad I already moved out of state for the Job...At least ill come back with my integrity and licenses still valid.

I have heard lots of these types of places exist but didnt think this would be one of them...but hey thats how you learn.

Thank you all again!
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