Looking for some clarification on something I never thought I'd need clarifying.

As the Captain of an augmented flight, can the captain log PIC time for the entirety of the flight?

I have applications in to the legacies and want to make sure I'm not setting myself up for failure. I'm an Airbus captain that fly's augmented OPs. In my logbook, I log PIC time for the entirety of the flight, since I'm the legal PIC for the flight and the one who signs for the airplane. Our company FOM only counts 2/3 flight time for anyone on an augmented flight though, including the Captain. The FARs however state that you are legally allowed to log all flight time on those operations.

This all came up after a recent convo with a coworker that's been stuck in my head. He said I should only be logging 2/3 of my time since I'm in the bunk for some of the flight. He said that if I get an interview that I'm then going to have incorrect logbooks with incorrect TPIC which could lead to issues. My argument was that as the PIC of the flight, the regs allow the Captain of the flight to log the entirety of the flight as PIC time. Neither FO while I'm on break is logging TPIC, which then leaves a portion of the flight where nobody would be logging TPIC.

 

I can't imagine any U.S. legacy airline having a problem with the PIC that signs the flight release logging the entire flight as PIC even if they took a rest period.

But I imagine the best answer is probably going to come from an interview prep service. They can give you specific advice for whichever legacy you're targeting.

Good luck.

 

Are you on the ragged edge of being competitive?
As in 2/3 would drop you below the bar?

Here is my answer:
Log 100% of the time on your application as that is correct under US (FAA) regulations.

Is the 2/3 a company rule or is it based on a foreign set of regulations?
AFAIK under ICAO 100% is PIC.

 

The correct answer is that there is no answer. After you get your ATP the FAA doesn't care about your total time/TPIC.

(a) Training time and aeronautical experience. Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator:

(1) Training and aeronautical experience used to meet the requirements for a certificate, rating, or flight review of this part.
(2) The aeronautical experience required for meeting the recent flight experience requirements of this part.


But even so "If rated to act as pilot in command of the aircraft, an airline transport pilot may log all flight time while acting as pilot in command of an operation requiring an airline transport pilot certificate" is very clear.

 

Thanks, I might reach out to a service just to be sure.

Best answer I could give is no but also yes. Unfortunately I'm facing a downgrade and while I have tons of total time, my TPIC time is mixed between turbine single from a past life, and 121 jet at my current ops. I feel like every hour counts, and I still have under 1000 TPIC as a 121 CA so having to knock off a full 1/3 of it would definitely suck for the resume. The 2/3 rule is company FOM, which is more restrictive than the regs based on what I can find.

Thanks, 61.51 is what I looked at to clear things up but the "acting" part is where I got a bit confused. My logic says I'm still the Captain of the flight, so nobody else is able to log TPIC, even if the FO is up front while I'm in back.

Like I said, silly question, and not one I thought I would ever have to ask. Just want to be sure my numbers are correct.

 

There is no correct. The FAA doesn’t care about total time once it’s over 1500

 

Generally no, but if you ever find yourself needing employment, total time does come into play for certain FAA jobs.

 

Apparently AA has a problem with military pilots doing it. Seems they changed things this past spring and now only count hours of PIC when the pilot is in a control seat. OP should check out each airline’s time logging requirements in their application to see if any unique wAAy to count hours in app effects them depending on the type of flying they do (originally I thought they were at a foreign carrier then I remembered one US carrier that flies a bus across the pond).

I’d keep logging consistently and alter the presentation of the flight time based on what a perspective company wants. They mostly want similar things but some want specific milestones tabbed and others want specific summary page formats.

 

You keep saying that.
But what the FAA thinks isn't the question here. The question is, what does the AIRLINE in question think?

 

exactly. Every employer can make up their own policy. There is no controlling FAR because the time isn’t being logged towards a certificate or rating