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Old 02-16-2008 | 07:49 PM
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wow, thanks for sharing your experience......i was pulled over a few years ago after being at the bar with some friends....friends had a few too many drinks (puking at the bar) and i ended up being the responsible one to take them home.....got pulled over on the way home, cop gave me a field sobriety test....(had 2 beers over the course of 3 hours) i knew i was well under the legal limit at the time but i was still scared out of my mind....passed the test and the officer told me to go home...i really feel sorry for you because of your situation at the time...i gotta say that many people would proably make the same mistake in your situation....happy for you that it all worked out ok....be smart and be safe people!!!!
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Old 02-16-2008 | 09:14 PM
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If I've touched alcohol I'm not touching a car (as in driving one) for that entire day. Even if it's just a small sip, one beer etc, not a chance.
In Norway the legal limit is 0.02, so one beer will more or less throw you over the limit right away
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Old 02-16-2008 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyByCable
The problem with applicants with a record is that there are thousands of applicants with clean records. With the lawsuit happy society we live in today, why would a company take the risk of hiring someone with a record with so many applicants out there without one?

I know several pilots who were successful in gaining employment after several years removed from alcohol driving incidents. If You're implying that because someone had a dui they will in fact not be hired, well then I guess the title poster must be dreaming about his experience at Pinnacle. I'm not condoning his actions, however, We've all engaged in this type of behavior at one point in our lives. To not admit as much is a lie in and of itself. I know several pilots at major airlines who have aquired one dui prior to employment. One particular individual began training with a dui conviction and was subsequently hired at a regional, major (furloughed), and one additional major where He currently flies. The emphasis on this post is on how to be successul and move on (don't drink and drive again). Sometimes these things happen. We all require LOR's and inside help for these jobs anyway. Best thing to do is employ interview prep and work on explaining Your situation and especially, how it will not recur.
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Old 02-16-2008 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Inconceivable
You do not have to disclose arrests which do not end in a conviction or an adjudication of not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect.

Yes, it is in the records at the FBI (as is everything, forever) but cannot and will not be disclosed except to other law enforcement officers.

Police often arrest people improperly or charge them incorrectly. You are only obliged to report what you have been CONVICTED of, not ACCUSED of. That is the entire premise of our legal system!

I agree 100%. I had a "Citizens arrest" placed on me at a casino for "trespassing". Long story short.....the judge pretty much laughed at the charge and completely dismissed it. Should I come out of nowhere and tell the hr people about this?
I was never convicted or had to pay a fine or anything! Honestly guys, I did nothing wrong except turn the wrong way when the security guys at the casino were telling us to go another way. I feel that I shouldn't have to tell the interview panel this.......I have NOTHING to hide, I have never been in any kind of trouble. If they ask me if I have ever been charged with anything, sure I will tell them the story but why would I volunteer information they dont need to know?
I mean I would want to tell them to feel relieved but if I do and didn't have to, that may be the reason they dont hire me!

What do you guys think?
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Old 02-16-2008 | 11:08 PM
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just be honest.....most airlines seem to respect this honesty
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Old 02-17-2008 | 06:49 AM
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If you like to social drink and then go home as most people do then guard yourself against the possibility of driving under the influence. I keep a police grade breathalyzer in the trunk ($400). This thing tells me what I may be blowing to a fairly high degree of accuracy and I trust it because it is an approved prosecuting instrument many cops use. After you use it a few times you can figure out how much alcohol it takes to render you over limit, and act accordingly. Every pilot needs one, and $400 is peanuts when you consider the cost of defending against a driving impaired charge. I would not fool around with instruments not used by the police themselves.

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Old 02-17-2008 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
If you like to social drink and then go home as most people do then guard yourself against the possibility of driving under the influence. I keep a police grade breathalyzer in the trunk ($400). This thing tells me what I may be blowing to a fairly high degree of accuracy and I trust it because it is an approved prosecuting instrument many cops use. After you use it a few times you can figure out how much alcohol it takes to render you over limit, and act accordingly. Every pilot needs one, and $400 is peanuts when you consider the cost of defending against a driving impaired charge. I would not fool around with instruments not used by the police themselves.

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Here's a man who takes drinking seriously
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Old 02-17-2008 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Two-percent
I know several pilots who were successful in gaining employment after several years removed from alcohol driving incidents. If You're implying that because someone had a dui they will in fact not be hired, well then I guess the title poster must be dreaming about his experience at Pinnacle. I'm not condoning his actions, however, We've all engaged in this type of behavior at one point in our lives. To not admit as much is a lie in and of itself. I know several pilots at major airlines who have aquired one dui prior to employment. One particular individual began training with a dui conviction and was subsequently hired at a regional, major (furloughed), and one additional major where He currently flies. The emphasis on this post is on how to be successul and move on (don't drink and drive again). Sometimes these things happen. We all require LOR's and inside help for these jobs anyway. Best thing to do is employ interview prep and work on explaining Your situation and especially, how it will not recur.
You are largely correct, but something needs elaboration here...

If you look at major airline pilots who had DUI's, most are probably older. If you went school, or the military, in the 80's or earlier it was a whole different game...

Back then DUI's were no big deal in the civilian world, and they were almost routine for the military. I personnaly don't have one, but only by pure luck, on multiple occassions. Also at the time, they wouldn't even bother with a .08, you had to be falling-down drunk.

Attitudes have changed a LOT since then, but an interviewer who looks at a guy with a DUI in 1985 will probably be a lot more lenient since that DUI did not indicate a serious lapse of judgement...the guy was operating by acceptable standards at the time.

Now that we have all had the serious consequences of DUI beaten into our heads, actually getting one is likely to be viewed as poor judgement or an abuse problem.
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Old 02-17-2008 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
You are largely correct, but something needs elaboration here...

If you look at major airline pilots who had DUI's, most are probably older. If you went school, or the military, in the 80's or earlier it was a whole different game...

Back then DUI's were no big deal in the civilian world, and they were almost routine for the military. I personnaly don't have one, but only by pure luck, on multiple occassions. Also at the time, they wouldn't even bother with a .08, you had to be falling-down drunk.

Attitudes have changed a LOT since then, but an interviewer who looks at a guy with a DUI in 1985 will probably be a lot more lenient since that DUI did not indicate a serious lapse of judgement...the guy was operating by acceptable standards at the time.

Now that we have all had the serious consequences of DUI beaten into our heads, actually getting one is likely to be viewed as poor judgement or an abuse problem.
Yeah...if I remember correctly it was Elizabeth Dole in the late 80s who pushed through some policy/law where states would lose their fed highway funding if they didn't enact age 21 drinking laws and alcohol limits around .12-.10...it has been in recent times that they've dropped it to .08 in a lot of states.

Interestingly, texting while driving has been shown to be much more deadly while driving than drinking is, but I would never expect our government to come up with logically thought-out laws on things like that!!!
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Old 02-17-2008 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Photon
If I've touched alcohol I'm not touching a car (as in driving one) for that entire day. Even if it's just a small sip, one beer etc, not a chance.
In Norway the legal limit is 0.02, so one beer will more or less throw you over the limit right away
Yikes. I might say that's a bit overboard - but I've never been to Norway...! I thoroughly enjoy being a dumb American
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