Presenting Logbooks at Interviews
10-07-2008 | 03:37 PM
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From: Aviation Consultant
I have used whiteout, and it never seemed to hurt. Some folks will say that you should use a single line-out and initial it.
I don't use whiteout for old errors that have been carried over many pages...that gets too confusing. For those I make a corrective entry on the next available line, with today's date, an explanation in the remarks section.
I don't use whiteout for old errors that have been carried over many pages...that gets too confusing. For those I make a corrective entry on the next available line, with today's date, an explanation in the remarks section.
The point is that someone reading your logbook should be able to systematically follow your progression. White out makes that difficult - it leaves then doubt in the interviewer's mind. Are you hiding something?
Don't let interviewers use their imaginations...
10-07-2008 | 07:30 PM
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Yup - you got it! Actions, or lack of action in this case, speak to people's tendencies. If you are that lax with your own logbook then how will you be with paperwork when you are representing the company?
Nope, your original logs that contain those signatures is perfect. The purpose for you signing your electronic log is that it is your word - and you are attesting that your word is truthful and accurate.
Nope, your original logs that contain those signatures is perfect. The purpose for you signing your electronic log is that it is your word - and you are attesting that your word is truthful and accurate.
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11-01-2008 | 10:16 AM
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I guess this really varies from company to company and with how much supply vs. demand there is. I know of many people who showed up with their very old original logbooks, a company printout of flight times, and several dozen "little red books"... all were hired. Needless to say the little red books are not signed on each page, the company printout isn't signed, but the very old logbooks were.
It's probably best to be prepared with neat professional logbooks, but at some point it becomes too cost/time prohibitive to construct, print & sign them all. I'd opt for the neat professional image of a computer logbook, backed up by the old fashioned logbook copy. I use APDL with Logbookpro and it keeps great records and can be printed out a number of ways. I spent over a year, working free time only, entering all my old data from the logbooks into logbookpro. Now it's a snap to download my scedules from the company, blast them into APDL, use APDL in place of the little red books and then blast it all into the PC Logbookpro. It's the easiest way I've found to have your schedule with you, monitor 30/7, reduced rest, CONUS-OCONUS, expenses along with flight times, and be able to just zap them into the PC. It also copies your schedule into MS Outlooks Calendar so you can print a nice monthly schedule for your other half to stick on the fridge each month.
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It's probably best to be prepared with neat professional logbooks, but at some point it becomes too cost/time prohibitive to construct, print & sign them all. I'd opt for the neat professional image of a computer logbook, backed up by the old fashioned logbook copy. I use APDL with Logbookpro and it keeps great records and can be printed out a number of ways. I spent over a year, working free time only, entering all my old data from the logbooks into logbookpro. Now it's a snap to download my scedules from the company, blast them into APDL, use APDL in place of the little red books and then blast it all into the PC Logbookpro. It's the easiest way I've found to have your schedule with you, monitor 30/7, reduced rest, CONUS-OCONUS, expenses along with flight times, and be able to just zap them into the PC. It also copies your schedule into MS Outlooks Calendar so you can print a nice monthly schedule for your other half to stick on the fridge each month.
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11-01-2008 | 11:08 AM
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From: FAA 'Flight Check'
Mine looks like yours but my notebook isn't as nice
Mason -
So you're sayiang that if I have my originals and they are all signed then you don't think that the electronic version needs to be signed?
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11-05-2008 | 01:14 PM
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Call Scott Leather and order a custom landscape leather binder with your name embossed for around $70. It looks very professional and will be appreciated. Go to Kinko's and get them to print out your logbook pro PDF file onto resume paper for a great look and pretty cheap price (cheaper than doing it yourself). I interviewed and was hired last year at a Legacy carrier and brought both my paper logbook and the printed out version. They told me they liked the printed version but thanked me for bringing the old fashioned one as well (both logbooks are current and have he same entries). FYI, hope this helps.
I work in the airlines and was thinking about switching to a computer based logbook, but not if I have to double enter all my flying.
11-05-2008 | 05:23 PM
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From: FAA 'Flight Check'
You guys are typing in hours on Logbook pro and handwriting the same hours in a traditional logbook as well. For interviews you guys are bringing two log books with the same information?!!
I don't know what I'll do IF I get a professional flying job. I'll hopefully get some ideas from APC
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11-06-2008 | 07:12 AM
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So I am right. Two log books with same information?
Sorry if I am beating a dead horse, but it seems absurd to me to bring two legally signed log books with the same info to an interview. What is the benifit? To show an employeer you can type and write? To show you are super organized and a little anal?
Sorry if I am beating a dead horse, but it seems absurd to me to bring two legally signed log books with the same info to an interview. What is the benifit? To show an employeer you can type and write? To show you are super organized and a little anal?
11-06-2008 | 07:45 AM
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From: C402, on the side with the switches!
I don't bring both, I only bring the hard logbook. I use Logbook Pro mainly for my own backup. Plus, it makes figuring out recency times (past 90 days, past 6 months, etc.) much easier and faster... only takes a click of a button. Also, It'll pick up on any errors in your paper book. After you enter all your info into Logbook Pro, if the times don't match what's in your paper logbook (this happened to me), You probably made a mistake somewhere with your math. I had a "Page Total" that had an hour extra multi than what I actually had on that page. Logbook Pro picked up on that and I was able to correct it.
I also use it if someone wants to see the last few pages of my logbook. Instead of making copies of my book and faxing them, I use Logbook Pro to output the pages in .pdf format and email them.
"The pdf with your flight log is really quite nice for reviewing the data. No need to bother with anything else."
Quote from one of the recruiters that I sent said .pdf files to.
I also use it if someone wants to see the last few pages of my logbook. Instead of making copies of my book and faxing them, I use Logbook Pro to output the pages in .pdf format and email them.
"The pdf with your flight log is really quite nice for reviewing the data. No need to bother with anything else."
Quote from one of the recruiters that I sent said .pdf files to.
