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New Minimum [hours for getting first job] ?
05-25-2010, 05:46 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by slough
Why is there a chance hiring might pick up big in August?
The cycles of hiring would not suggest that during a time of reduced flying (after Labor day in the first week of Sept until Thanksgiving at the end of Nov) that airlines would be cranking up hiring.
I'll suggest that there won't be a hiring burst in August.
05-26-2010, 05:54 AM
#12
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The mins are not going to come down at all and the should not come down. Every one should have at least 1500TT before getting hired on for a 121 carrier. Having this as law will help every one in the long run as far as pay goes b/c it will be harder finding a qualified pilot. You should instruct and learn how to fly an airplane b/c at 400 hrs you do not know what you are doing. I know that sounds harsh but I can tell you allot of F/O's at my company were fired b/c they couldn't make it through there first pc and now they will never get a job at airline again with that hanging over them. Paying for a crj course is pointless and will not help you at all. They might think about it for a sec. b/c there might be a better chance for you getting through training and passing your checkride after the company droped 25k. on you.
05-26-2010, 06:20 AM
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I'm at 1800TT, 312ME and a MAS; no calls from a 121 carrier yet. There are plenty of experienced furloughed 121/135 guys on the market for the airlines to choose from. I would think that they would hire those guys before hiring someone like me without any 121/135 experience or other pilots with low flight time.
05-26-2010, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Gajre539
I'm at 1800TT, 312ME and a MAS; no calls from a 121 carrier yet. There are plenty of experienced furloughed 121/135 guys on the market for the airlines to choose from. I would think that they would hire those guys before hiring someone like me without any 121/135 experience or other pilots with low flight time.
But you should be next up once they get through the available 121 people, especially if you have 135 time.
05-26-2010, 10:13 AM
#15
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Originally Posted by Pielut
Don't waste your money on block time. The CRJ course will not help at all. You do not need to be in a hurry, this is most likely just a small wave of hiring. Get your CFI and get paid to fly while building experience. You are not ready for the next step. Slooooow down, have fun. The ratings and the instructing is the most fun, you can be bored in cruise at FL360 later.
Having the CRJ course opens the door for an interviewer to ask you systems questions, which you don't want.
The job before an RJ is usually an entertaining one. Try and enjoy the ride.
05-26-2010, 10:59 AM
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Well I disagree that the course won't help I talked with the ex chief pilot of PSA and he said I should take it so I did. The course does slot of good.
It ensures I won't be overwhelmed in the sim check in an intervew, it makes initial training much easier to complete, it comes with job placement from ATP as well as career mentors... And best of all most airlines say they will consider reduced minimums if you have the course. So call it useless if you like but I don't regret it at all.
BUT let's stick to the topic enough debate on my crj course lol... What do you guys think the minimums will be a few months into the hiring spree?
And to the guy who said at 400 hours I don't know how to fly
your advice if I read correctly was to instuct others how to not fly? Lol just found that funny it's safe to say I'm not as experianced as some but saying I don't know how to fly is just silly.
It ensures I won't be overwhelmed in the sim check in an intervew, it makes initial training much easier to complete, it comes with job placement from ATP as well as career mentors... And best of all most airlines say they will consider reduced minimums if you have the course. So call it useless if you like but I don't regret it at all.
BUT let's stick to the topic enough debate on my crj course lol... What do you guys think the minimums will be a few months into the hiring spree?
And to the guy who said at 400 hours I don't know how to fly
your advice if I read correctly was to instuct others how to not fly? Lol just found that funny it's safe to say I'm not as experianced as some but saying I don't know how to fly is just silly.
05-26-2010, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by asims33
Thanks for relieving yourself on my efforts, if you dont have anything helpful to say please refrane from saying anything at all.
(had to make the post PG-13 for the admins so it didnt get edited again)
We pay for the CRJ course because most regional websites say that reduced minimums will be considered if you have the course. and american eagle has sent guys as recently as the last hiring boom at AEs expense to ATPs CRJ course to get them ready for the initial training
You can say its useless but i would disagree,
I do have connections at PSA and someone high up on the hiring board said that with the CRJ course and 500 TT i would have a good chance of being competitive enough for the job...This post was for your opinions on what the hiring minimums were.
I do plan on instructing but in this economy im lucky to get 10 hours a week and if hiring starts big in august i wont have enough hours. I still have some money aside for that last push if i need it so the c172 block time at 80 bucks an hour wet is way cheaper and more appealing to me since i dont need much more multi.
So again please give me opinions on what the mins will be a few months into the hiring streak, save the opinions on my CRJ course i already have it and those who i have talked to in higher positions say that it will help alot.
(had to make the post PG-13 for the admins so it didnt get edited again)
We pay for the CRJ course because most regional websites say that reduced minimums will be considered if you have the course. and american eagle has sent guys as recently as the last hiring boom at AEs expense to ATPs CRJ course to get them ready for the initial training
You can say its useless but i would disagree,
I do have connections at PSA and someone high up on the hiring board said that with the CRJ course and 500 TT i would have a good chance of being competitive enough for the job...This post was for your opinions on what the hiring minimums were.
I do plan on instructing but in this economy im lucky to get 10 hours a week and if hiring starts big in august i wont have enough hours. I still have some money aside for that last push if i need it so the c172 block time at 80 bucks an hour wet is way cheaper and more appealing to me since i dont need much more multi.
So again please give me opinions on what the mins will be a few months into the hiring streak, save the opinions on my CRJ course i already have it and those who i have talked to in higher positions say that it will help alot.
That CRJ course probably would have helped you during the last round as it was used to supplement low time. I would be willing to bet it will be as good as good as useless right now. Regardless just work on building time, because 500 hours wont get you anywhere for now.
05-26-2010, 11:56 AM
#18
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Originally Posted by asims33
Well I disagree that the course won't help I talked with the ex chief pilot of PSA and he said I should take it so I did. The course does slot of good.
It ensures I won't be overwhelmed in the sim check in an intervew, it makes initial training much easier to complete, it comes with job placement from ATP as well as career mentors... And best of all most airlines say they will consider reduced minimums if you have the course. So call it useless if you like but I don't regret it at all.
BUT let's stick to the topic enough debate on my crj course lol... What do you guys think the minimums will be a few months into the hiring spree?
And to the guy who said at 400 hours I don't know how to fly
your advice if I read correctly was to instuct others how to not fly? Lol just found that funny it's safe to say I'm not as experianced as some but saying I don't know how to fly is just silly.
It ensures I won't be overwhelmed in the sim check in an intervew, it makes initial training much easier to complete, it comes with job placement from ATP as well as career mentors... And best of all most airlines say they will consider reduced minimums if you have the course. So call it useless if you like but I don't regret it at all.
BUT let's stick to the topic enough debate on my crj course lol... What do you guys think the minimums will be a few months into the hiring spree?
And to the guy who said at 400 hours I don't know how to fly
your advice if I read correctly was to instuct others how to not fly? Lol just found that funny it's safe to say I'm not as experianced as some but saying I don't know how to fly is just silly.
You ask for opinions and when they don't match what you believe you tell everyone they are wrong. Since I am bored right now I will take the time to tell you the truth once again.
THE CRJ COURSE IS WORTHLESS when it comes to getting hired, like someone said it might even hurt you if you don't know your stuff and they start to ask you questions on it. It may help you in training if you are a little slow and can't grasp flying a high performance jet like most professional pilots can. ATP sold you the lie that this would help you get hired. You bought into it without doing any of your own research.
Yes Eagle did at one point send some of its new hires through ATP's RJ course prior to initial training, these were low time pilots who they identified as training risks. BACK DURING THE BOOM, if you had already paid for it yourself that meant they didn't have to, so they took you with low time, but remember that LOW TIME was all that was available out there. Today they have the pick of the litter. You need 6000 pilots hired just to wipe out the furloughed guys121/135 guys, then you have maybe 8000 (random figure) instructors that have been instructing for the past 2-3 years waiting for the chance. They have real expirence not bought experience like you.
So once again you got taken when they sold you the RJ couse. If you can't get your money back, too bad. It may help you in training someday if you get put in an RJ, but it will not help you get a job. Sorry.
05-26-2010, 12:04 PM
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[quote=kremit14;817255] You should instruct and learn how to fly an airplane quote]
People have been stuck flight instructing for the past few years and there is no guarantee that there will be jobs for them anytime in the near future. Hiring seems closer, but looking to expand your credentials to something that provides a way to earn a living w/ or w/o aviation is a good option. I hope hiring picks up soon, and aviation will be an option at some point in the future, but having it not be the only option relieves stress.
People have been stuck flight instructing for the past few years and there is no guarantee that there will be jobs for them anytime in the near future. Hiring seems closer, but looking to expand your credentials to something that provides a way to earn a living w/ or w/o aviation is a good option. I hope hiring picks up soon, and aviation will be an option at some point in the future, but having it not be the only option relieves stress.
05-26-2010, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by asims33
Well I disagree that the course won't help I talked with the ex chief pilot of PSA and he said I should take it so I did. The course does slot of good.
It ensures I won't be overwhelmed in the sim check in an intervew, it makes initial training much easier to complete, it comes with job placement from ATP as well as career mentors... And best of all most airlines say they will consider reduced minimums if you have the course. So call it useless if you like but I don't regret it at all.
BUT let's stick to the topic enough debate on my crj course lol... What do you guys think the minimums will be a few months into the hiring spree?
And to the guy who said at 400 hours I don't know how to fly
your advice if I read correctly was to instuct others how to not fly? Lol just found that funny it's safe to say I'm not as experianced as some but saying I don't know how to fly is just silly.
It ensures I won't be overwhelmed in the sim check in an intervew, it makes initial training much easier to complete, it comes with job placement from ATP as well as career mentors... And best of all most airlines say they will consider reduced minimums if you have the course. So call it useless if you like but I don't regret it at all.
BUT let's stick to the topic enough debate on my crj course lol... What do you guys think the minimums will be a few months into the hiring spree?
And to the guy who said at 400 hours I don't know how to fly
your advice if I read correctly was to instuct others how to not fly? Lol just found that funny it's safe to say I'm not as experianced as some but saying I don't know how to fly is just silly.
Why are you considering block time in a 172 if you say your left seat in a Baron? You're probably not getting a call with 500 hours when hiring starts again...and when it does, it'll hardly be what I'd call a 'hiring spree'.
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