Should i apply.
08-13-2011, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by IdahoFlyer
hdark-
Just adding to the advice from others-
You are off to a great start. I wish I could have had that much ME time that early on. I remember what it's like being in your shoes when every 100 hours seemed like a huge milestone, but as has already been started 300 hours is not enough. That doesn't mean you shouldn't apply. It just means that you probably won't hear back from employers. I personally wouldn't want a 300 hour pilot barreling down the ILS at 140 knots to minimums with an incapacitated captain as long as I'm on board. And I'm sure that any passenger would be alarmed to find out that the copilot has only logged 300 hours of "quality" flight time.
It sounds like you have planned to get your CFI, and I applaud that decision. Many great experiences await you as an instructor. Just remember that instruction is not a way to build time. Yes, that is one byproduct of instruction, but please pursue it with professionalism or your students will notice that you are just in it for the time.
Lastly, learn humility. The great folks on this site are here to answer questions and give advice. There is a lot of real life experience to learn from here. So don't be upset that everyone isn't patting you on the back and throwing job offers out at you.
Your time will come. Just keep logging this hours and sending out resumes.
Oh, and one last thing. Please work on your writing skills as communication is a big part of aviation. I blame all my typos and grammatical mistakes on my iPad. The iPad is making me dumber, what's your excuse?
Keep on keeping on and take the advice, both good and bad, in stride.
Just adding to the advice from others-
You are off to a great start. I wish I could have had that much ME time that early on. I remember what it's like being in your shoes when every 100 hours seemed like a huge milestone, but as has already been started 300 hours is not enough. That doesn't mean you shouldn't apply. It just means that you probably won't hear back from employers. I personally wouldn't want a 300 hour pilot barreling down the ILS at 140 knots to minimums with an incapacitated captain as long as I'm on board. And I'm sure that any passenger would be alarmed to find out that the copilot has only logged 300 hours of "quality" flight time.
It sounds like you have planned to get your CFI, and I applaud that decision. Many great experiences await you as an instructor. Just remember that instruction is not a way to build time. Yes, that is one byproduct of instruction, but please pursue it with professionalism or your students will notice that you are just in it for the time.
Lastly, learn humility. The great folks on this site are here to answer questions and give advice. There is a lot of real life experience to learn from here. So don't be upset that everyone isn't patting you on the back and throwing job offers out at you.
Your time will come. Just keep logging this hours and sending out resumes.
Oh, and one last thing. Please work on your writing skills as communication is a big part of aviation. I blame all my typos and grammatical mistakes on my iPad. The iPad is making me dumber, what's your excuse?
Keep on keeping on and take the advice, both good and bad, in stride.
08-13-2011, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by HercDriver130
hum... I am still trying to figure out what an IDOT is..... just saying!!!
And you call yourself a real pilot? Come on man, everybody knows its Illinois Department of Transportation.
Hdark...I realize you have "alot" of multi time. I was in your shoes once as well. I had alot of total time and thought I knew alot. I had a comm/multi/inst...then I instructed for a year and it blew my mind how little I really knew. I hate to throw cold water on your experience but it amounts to borrowing your buddies plane and flying around. In no way shape or form, is Part 121 meant to be an entry level job. If you think you can hack 121 training after 300tt then you run the serious and probable risk of washing out. I had about 500 of cabin class twin time when I rolled into a glass cockpit jet and it still took me a while to catch up. This is NOT a job you want to hurry to get to. At 300tt you have no clue how big of a transition it is into a 121/jet world.
08-13-2011, 01:55 PM
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Hdark
Actually, Superman has lots more hours. I am old enough in this business to know everyone, including 300 hour pilots, can teach me something. In fact, that's the reason I do hang out, listen and participate here--to learn and to pass on 35 years of experience. To do so is to pay back all those that passed on to me the knowledge they had.
In 20 years as an AFR instructor, I loved nothing more than taking LTs out, either on a mission or a local proficiency trainer, and watching them learn and grow. The best got better than me and enjoyed doing it, everyday.
Ditch the "I've got lots quality time (whatever that is) and learn to learn.
Oh, credibility and reputation is the ONLY thing one has in aviation, accuracy in the details shows your attention to detail. But never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
GF
PS: Seven years ago I made the transition to "glass cockpit", with 8,000 hours of jet time, including 4,000 in the C-5, believe me, it was humbling. It is a different way of flying. I also did time as a B727 F/E at EAL, FAR 121 is a whole higher level of professionalism.
Actually, Superman has lots more hours. I am old enough in this business to know everyone, including 300 hour pilots, can teach me something. In fact, that's the reason I do hang out, listen and participate here--to learn and to pass on 35 years of experience. To do so is to pay back all those that passed on to me the knowledge they had.
In 20 years as an AFR instructor, I loved nothing more than taking LTs out, either on a mission or a local proficiency trainer, and watching them learn and grow. The best got better than me and enjoyed doing it, everyday.
Ditch the "I've got lots quality time (whatever that is) and learn to learn.
Oh, credibility and reputation is the ONLY thing one has in aviation, accuracy in the details shows your attention to detail. But never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
GF
PS: Seven years ago I made the transition to "glass cockpit", with 8,000 hours of jet time, including 4,000 in the C-5, believe me, it was humbling. It is a different way of flying. I also did time as a B727 F/E at EAL, FAR 121 is a whole higher level of professionalism.
08-13-2011, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by hdark
again my initial post was not to sound like i knew it all or have experienced it all and again i apologize if i sounded as such. The main reason i created an account on this forum was because of the vast knowledge available. I apologize again if i offended anyone but the bash the guy with the low time thing is kind of old.
I guess some of you forgot what it was like to have 0 flight time. you value every hour you can, and evaluate how much you learned in that hour. I flew right seat with guys that down right scared the crap out of me, the scary thing they had way more hours than I did so it's all relative. Hours are worth no more than the paper you write it on but what you experienced in those hours matter most
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08-13-2011, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin
And you call yourself a real pilot? Come on man, everybody knows its Illinois Department of Transportation.
Hdark...I realize you have "alot" of multi time. I was in your shoes once as well. I had alot of total time and thought I knew alot. I had a comm/multi/inst...then I instructed for a year and it blew my mind how little I really knew. I hate to throw cold water on your experience but it amounts to borrowing your buddies plane and flying around. In no way shape or form, is Part 121 meant to be an entry level job. If you think you can hack 121 training after 300tt then you run the serious and probable risk of washing out. I had about 500 of cabin class twin time when I rolled into a glass cockpit jet and it still took me a while to catch up. This is NOT a job you want to hurry to get to. At 300tt you have no clue how big of a transition it is into a 121/jet world.
Hdark...I realize you have "alot" of multi time. I was in your shoes once as well. I had alot of total time and thought I knew alot. I had a comm/multi/inst...then I instructed for a year and it blew my mind how little I really knew. I hate to throw cold water on your experience but it amounts to borrowing your buddies plane and flying around. In no way shape or form, is Part 121 meant to be an entry level job. If you think you can hack 121 training after 300tt then you run the serious and probable risk of washing out. I had about 500 of cabin class twin time when I rolled into a glass cockpit jet and it still took me a while to catch up. This is NOT a job you want to hurry to get to. At 300tt you have no clue how big of a transition it is into a 121/jet world.
08-13-2011, 02:29 PM
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Be thankful that you are in a position to even apply for these positions. I hit 300 hours at the end of 2008, right when the economy was starting it's nosedive. An airline job wasn't even a blip on the radar for me.
08-13-2011, 02:33 PM
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I'll never forget the briefing room at VF-211, NAS Miramar. One of the first female pilots in a VC comes in to brief the banner target tow mission. She starts, the CO storms in, "Lady, you are in MY squadron to tow the rag, not wear IT, GET OUT!". Being AF, even in the late 70's, I was mildly stunned, the ready room burst out in catcalls and laughter. My brother said to me, "Welcome to Naval Aviation". Today's guys and gals have NO idea what it was like 30 years ago.
And was in the ole TAC, in A-10s at the time.
GF
I'll never forget the briefing room at VF-211, NAS Miramar. One of the first female pilots in a VC comes in to brief the banner target tow mission. She starts, the CO storms in, "Lady, you are in MY squadron to tow the rag, not wear IT, GET OUT!". Being AF, even in the late 70's, I was mildly stunned, the ready room burst out in catcalls and laughter. My brother said to me, "Welcome to Naval Aviation". Today's guys and gals have NO idea what it was like 30 years ago.
And was in the ole TAC, in A-10s at the time.
GF
08-13-2011, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by hc0fitted
100% Agree. If you are that confident in your abilities as a aviator by all means go ahead and apply. However, being a low time pilot as well (750TT) and a fresh new hire out of 121 training, I can attest to it being No Joke serious sh*t . I had 500 hours in a glass cockpit which im sure helped a ton, but even still the transition to flying a jet is night and day compared putting around in a piston twin at 130kts at 5,500 feet. It is very easy to wash out if your not prepared for it, and that is something you don't want on your record. Anyway good luck to you if you do decide to give it a go !
08-13-2011, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by hc0fitted
100% Agree. If you are that confident in your abilities as a aviator by all means go ahead and apply. However, being a low time pilot as well (750TT) and a fresh new hire out of 121 training, I can attest to it being No Joke serious sh*t . I had 500 hours in a glass cockpit which im sure helped a ton, but even still the transition to flying a jet is night and day compared putting around in a piston twin at 130kts at 5,500 feet. It is very easy to wash out if your not prepared for it, and that is something you don't want on your record. Anyway good luck to you if you do decide to give it a go !
08-13-2011, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hdark
explain to me how your comment is relevant to present day flying if your airplane fails an engine every-time you fly there is seriously something wrong with 1) your aircraft 2) your decision making or 3) bothso you mean to tell me if a guy walks into an interview with 50ME it has to be 50 hours of battling critical engine failures. your an IDOT
thank you all for the positive advice
If you had 50 hours of single engine work at a school as a CFI MEI doing ME addons to peoples Comm ratings, and you went up all day doing single engine work, then yes that is great time. Flying around in a twin XC isnt really any different then flying around in a 206.
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