featheredprop

8710's are in your FAAFile forever .If the company gets a complete airmen file ( the same one you can request )there are copies of every 8710 you filled out including 8710's for re examination
Do you want to risk being hauled out of training and getting fired or looking over your shoulder every day wondering if theyvwill be coming for you ?

TonyWilliams

What if a second try wasn't offered, as in my case? It will forever show as a ATP certificate failure, which was subsequently completed elsewhere, however the EMB type ride failure was never given a second try.

rickair7777

That's the problem...it will appear as though SKW decided that you were not suitable pilot material thanks to that arbitrary policy.

If the pilot shortage materializes, you might still have a shot at a major if you want.

That policy was a case-study in unintended consequences...it was intended to light a fire under a few spikey-haired entitlement generation punks who didn't take the job seriously, which was probably a good cause. But it put a tremendous amount of power in the hands of training instructors, who are only human and far from objective in every case.

It didn't help that you went jet-bro, as I can attest to as well.

beech2jet

Im looking for some clarification on this as I had a situation happen to me several years ago that was a lot like what is being discussed here. I went in for a recurrent pc, busted the oral and was not given the chance to fly. Came back two days later passed the oral. Came back two days after that and busted the sim. Came back the next week and took the full checkride again, passed everything. There was a lot more crap in between that wasn't my fault, but ill spare the excuses and say this is what it looks like on paper. I have NEVER had a 121 issue before that, and NEVER had one since. Its been 5 years. So because of this, are you saying my career progression is stopped? I have 40 years left to fly and I will NEVER be able to get another flying job because a sim instructor wanted to make an example of me on an RPC? Is there a policy that makes this a reality? No amount of time can make it go away? So I might as well have a DUI? Or maybe I would be better off? Im not trying to be smart, I honestly want to know what im dealing with. Thanks!

LivinTheDream28

Wouldn't this information not show up to future employers once it is beyond 5 years ago? It sounds like there was no pink slip handed out and it's just a matter of company training records. Would a major only see this up to 5 years ago? Ricky?

jedinein

There are some airlines that treat those with two or more failed checkride attempts as a scarlet letter and will never touch you. There are some that will do the same with any part 121 or 135 failures or perceived failures. When they get the required record from the FAA, ALL checkride failures are listed there.

The majority are enlightened and even give those with a distant past DUI a chance. If you get through an interview and then get the "no thanks, you failed a checkride," thank the airline for the free interview prep and selecting themselves out of your future prospects. You'll no longer have to waste time prepping and applying to them.

Having years of successful part 121 flying experience after the checkride failure(s) is a good sign. You grew up, matured, finally learned the system, passed several additional line checks, proficiency checks, sim checks, and so on. Time does heal the wound.

If you lie, and the airline will find out, you can expect another black mark on your record, a termination plus a bad reference, and it'll be a recent stain, refreshing the black marks from the previous events.

If you tell the truth, and don't get any calls, check out an interview prep service to see if perhaps your telling of the truth is too evasive or brutal for an airline to stomach.

And, you never know if the airline might be feeling the pinch and need to hire someone with varied experience. Perhaps their perfect pilots are getting bored in the cockpit, so they need someone in there with stories to tell to keep the others awake. It's all a lottery.

rickair7777

Probably not a career killer, since it was technically two separate events oral and sim). You might claim you were not feeling well or had personal distractions during that timeframe.

Obviously this might make it harder with some airlines.