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I talked to the lady in charge of our PRIA stuff. I asked her whether it would be on A PRIA report. She said it wouldn't be since it isn't a check ride and it's just a quiz. Still not sure how big of a deal it would be to try and make a lateral move to another regional. I was thinking I might go to a career fair and talk to a recruiter and see what they say.
That's much better. At my company the quiz is a formal part of the oral and failed quiz = failed oral = failed checkride. In light of that I would probably not report it on an application, but if they ask in the interview, go ahead and tell them about (along with lessons-learned). If you deny it when asked, and they did somehow get a record of it...sometimes things have a habit of showing up in a PRIA request depending on how the paperwork is organized.
It's common for interviewers to probe a little bit to see if things like this come up. More of an honesty check than anything.
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I appreciate all the input from you guys. There was no pink slip I did retake the quiz and pass. If I am ever asked about it in an interview I will def fess up with the lessons learned. The question I have now is when there is a question like "Have you EVER received any remedial or extra training in the Part 121 or Part 135 training environment?" on an application. Should I answer yes because I retook a quiz even though I didn't receive training?
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I appreciate all the input from you guys. There was no pink slip I did retake the quiz and pass. If I am ever asked about it in an interview I will def fess up with the lessons learned. The question I have now is when there is a question like "Have you EVER received any remedial or extra training in the Part 121 or Part 135 training environment?" on an application. Should I answer yes because I retook a quiz even though I didn't receive training?
So they just let you take the quiz again immediately? I would say that did not involve re-training.
Honestly, I would get a hold of your company training records and see what they say. There is a standard checklist for recurrent training, with boxes to check off. What really happened almost doesn't matter. What matters is what boxes are checked, and any notes the instructor made.
It's possible (likely) that they they were SUPPOSED to give you remedial training...even if they took the expedient route and just had you retake the quiz, they might have a check a box indicating remedial training was performed. Better see for yourself what the paperwork says...it might not say anything at all.
You are not entitled to obtain your PRIA records whenever you want, only when they are provided to another employer. But you should be able to review your training records in person, even if they provide a copy for you to keep. You might have to travel to HQ on your day off.
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I actually had to wait till the next recurrent class so it wasn't that day that I took the quiz. The person that does all of our PRIA stuff said that I could come in and see what she would give out. So I guess I'll do that the next time I have some days off. thanks again
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Get in the habit of obtaining and maintaining your own copy of your training jacket and your file at home. Get copies of everything. Your company should have a policy that permits you to review your file at any time, and should never have any problem with your obtaining copies of what's in there.
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You are not entitled to obtain your PRIA records whenever you want, only when they are provided to another employer. But you should be able to review your training records in person, even if they provide a copy for you to keep. You might have to travel to HQ on your day off.
c. According to the statutory provisions, each pilot shall:
(1) be furnished with (1) a written notification that a request will be made for their PRIA-related records, (2) be asked to sign a consent form for the release of those records, and (3) have an opportunity to request a copy of those records if so desired.
(a) The series of official PRIA forms all contain certain sections that have been specifically designed for the fulfillment of the requirements stated in this paragraph. Refer to FAA Forms 8060-10A, 8060-11A, and 8060-12. (49 U.S.C. § 44703(h)(6)).
(2) have an opportunity to submit a written comment or memorandum to an air carrier that maintains, or requests and receives the pilot’s PRIA-related records when that pilot believes there are inaccuracies in those records. (49 U.S.C. § 44703(h)(9))
(3) have the opportunity to review and comment upon their PRIA-related records. The air carrier shall also make available a copy of the requested records within a reasonable period of time, but not later than 30 days after the date of a written request from the pilot. This is especially true where distance
prohibits the pilot from reviewing their records in person. (49 U.S.C. § 44703(h)(10))
(1) be furnished with (1) a written notification that a request will be made for their PRIA-related records, (2) be asked to sign a consent form for the release of those records, and (3) have an opportunity to request a copy of those records if so desired.
(a) The series of official PRIA forms all contain certain sections that have been specifically designed for the fulfillment of the requirements stated in this paragraph. Refer to FAA Forms 8060-10A, 8060-11A, and 8060-12. (49 U.S.C. § 44703(h)(6)).
(2) have an opportunity to submit a written comment or memorandum to an air carrier that maintains, or requests and receives the pilot’s PRIA-related records when that pilot believes there are inaccuracies in those records. (49 U.S.C. § 44703(h)(9))
(3) have the opportunity to review and comment upon their PRIA-related records. The air carrier shall also make available a copy of the requested records within a reasonable period of time, but not later than 30 days after the date of a written request from the pilot. This is especially true where distance
prohibits the pilot from reviewing their records in person. (49 U.S.C. § 44703(h)(10))
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Talked to the records company they gave me a printout of my training records the failed quiz wasn't on there... so I'm assuming it turned out to be a nonevent. thanks for everyone's input on this issue I was really sweating it for a little while.
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Should be a non-issue on applications then. But if they ask at an interview about training rough spots or retraining I would be inclined to tell them about the quiz. Best case, shows honesty and that you learned something...worst case, CYA in case it does somehow come to light.
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