Envoy or Mesa
06-14-2015, 09:46 AM
#11
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Is Mesa's upgrade still that low? I thought they were basically staffed for all of their growth. Current upgrade time does not equal new hire upgrade time.
Envoys flight benefits are great, especially if you live in a hub. We also just picked up some flying from Mesa out of DFW that is in open time at 200% pay. It may just be temporary, but it's a sign that we will fly as many airplanes as we can staff.
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Envoys flight benefits are great, especially if you live in a hub. We also just picked up some flying from Mesa out of DFW that is in open time at 200% pay. It may just be temporary, but it's a sign that we will fly as many airplanes as we can staff.
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06-14-2015, 09:47 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by SplitDecision
No. Are the number of seats important?
I would tend to go with Mesa because it will likely get you to a major faster (though perhaps not AA, so you might have to commute from DFW at that point), but it's a pretty close call.
06-14-2015, 10:04 AM
#13
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JO supposedly said to a newhire class that he plans to have 1,000 pilots in DFW alone in the next 5 years. We are in flux about moving the training center there (last I heard we weren't). I think Mesa is pretty sure they will only grow the DFW base. The envoy stuff is temporary as we work thru the CLT closure and crappy maintenance.
It's a crapshoot though. Flow would be nice if it works. Upgrade would be nice if its still quick at Mesa. Most Mesa pilots are happy. The ones who bash Mesa don't work here. You'll know in 5-10 years if you made the right decision, or maybe 20.
It's a crapshoot though. Flow would be nice if it works. Upgrade would be nice if its still quick at Mesa. Most Mesa pilots are happy. The ones who bash Mesa don't work here. You'll know in 5-10 years if you made the right decision, or maybe 20.
06-14-2015, 10:29 AM
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I'd say ENVOY:
Better Pay
Better health insurance
Better travel benefits
Training in DFW
Live in base
401K up to 8% company match.
Flow through to AA (6 yrs)
Upgrade (recently announced as 2.5 yrs).
Getting more DFW flying back from Mesa (due to poor performance and inability to staff).
$5000 bonus !
Good luck!
Better Pay
Better health insurance
Better travel benefits
Training in DFW
Live in base
401K up to 8% company match.
Flow through to AA (6 yrs)
Upgrade (recently announced as 2.5 yrs).
Getting more DFW flying back from Mesa (due to poor performance and inability to staff).
$5000 bonus !
Good luck!
06-14-2015, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by diva
I'd say ENVOY:
Better Pay
Better health insurance
Better travel benefits
Training in DFW
Live in base
Flow through to AA (6 yrs)
Upgrade (recently announced as 2.5 yrs).
$5000 bonus !
Good luck!
Better Pay
Better health insurance
Better travel benefits
Training in DFW
Live in base
Flow through to AA (6 yrs)
Upgrade (recently announced as 2.5 yrs).
$5000 bonus !
Good luck!
06-14-2015, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
The upgrade and flow are projections only, not guarantees. You can live in base with Mesa if that's a domicile. Let's stay accurate here........
06-14-2015, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
Certainly Doesn't hurt to get more but Mesa is one of the worst places to work for in the regional industry.
Mesa's contract may suck compared to others, but it isn't a bad place to work. It's been a positive experience for me so far. Great people, the training dept is outstanding, and the company hasn't mistreated me by any means.
Could it be better? Sure. But that's true everywhere.
06-14-2015, 10:59 AM
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The grass is always greener right? I've had a good time here at Mesa. I think JO wants slow, steady growth. Last upgrade went to a January hire which is great. The rest of the Ejets and CRJs come on property in the next couple of months and that's all the planned growth for now. Will probably change, but things are quiet now.
06-14-2015, 11:15 AM
#20
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Originally Posted by JustMELit
Things slipping at Mesa? Any proof to what you're throwing down or just interweb speculation?
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