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Old 06-14-2015, 11:18 AM
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Things slipping at Mesa? Any proof to what you're throwing down or just interweb speculation?
Phoenix for starters. Wait and see. I
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Old 06-14-2015, 11:27 AM
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...and LAX. That's the truth.
So, to answer the OP's question, go to Envoy.
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Old 06-14-2015, 11:36 AM
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Doesn't Mesa have terribly high health insurance rates? Might be a factor if the OP has a family...
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Old 06-14-2015, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jdflyer1999 View Post
AAG last week was gave Envoy 420 block hours per month of flying that were previously Mesa's. There's at least another 650 that will probably be reallocated to Envoy though there is speculation it could be as high as 1200.
Where are you getting these stats from? Is there some news letter I'm missing?

And I heard Mesa's LA flying is done later this year. But I'm pretty sure that was the plan the whole time.
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Old 06-14-2015, 11:59 AM
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AAG last week was gave Envoy 420 block hours per month of flying that were previously Mesa's. There's at least another 650 that will probably be reallocated to Envoy though there is speculation it could be as high as 1200.
How many airplanes does that ultimately equate to?
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Old 06-14-2015, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JustMELit View Post
And I heard Mesa's LA flying is done later this year. But I'm pretty sure that was the plan the whole time.
I was in the jumpseat on a Mesa -900 last year & the CA said that LAX was going to be a domicile for them. PHX shrinking, ORD gone...what about the employees? This place has more rumors and propaganda than Joseph Gobbles. It may not be the same Mesa from 5 years ago, but there are better options.
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Old 06-14-2015, 12:38 PM
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EVERYTHING with the airline world are projections and subject to change including your job at AA.
Excellent. Now we are starting to make a little progress. If the rest of the Envoy pilots parade would join you in this declaration instead of implying certainty there, we'd really be getting somewhere and yes, that includes my job at AA. There are no certainties in life except death, taxes and the possible immortality of Keith Richards.

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Wouldn't it be for the Eagle/Envoy's flow-thru you wouldn't be there right now. Stop being so ungrateful. I know it sucks being on reserve but hey you're at AA making big bucks right? Stop being lazy sitting around all day on your ipad posting on these regional forums. Go to the gym or something. I promise you'll feel better.
I'm sorry m'am, but aside from the fact I'm not on reserve, my accuracy statements regarding the false claims of some Envoy pilots have no relation to being "grateful" to anyone there for anything as no one there had anything to do with my transfer to AA and I did go to the gym this morning as I usually do 4-5 times a week, but thanks for the concern.
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Old 06-14-2015, 12:44 PM
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Another thread starting to be derailed by eaglefly. Soon to be mixed with RJ Pilot and First Class!!!
Derailed by ME ?

I gave my opinion to the pilot concerned like anyone else has the right to do (and it even INCLUDED the strong consideration to choose Envoy in his circumstances) and noted yet another Envoyeur making claims of certainty and SELLING Envoy, yet just like always, the Envoy Katzenjammer kids go on the offensive. Just because they've turned that Eaglelounge circus into a cesspool that no one want's to pay for anymore doesn't mean they have to do that here. I argue that it's THEM "derailing" things.
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Old 06-14-2015, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jdflyer1999 View Post
AAG last week was gave Envoy 420 block hours per month of flying that were previously Mesa's. There's at least another 650 that will probably be reallocated to Envoy though there is speculation it could be as high as 1200.
But if they are only upgrading 14.7 captains per month for the next 18 months (about 270 captains) and projected to flow perhaps 450 or so to AA, that's a net loss of almost 200 captains positions over the same time and that doesn't even include outside captain's attrition, which could boost the deficit to as high as 250 to 300 LESS captains jobs at Envoy by end of 2016. That was Wilson's projections.

HOW can this be permanent considering those figures ?

My understanding is that the block hour shifts are temporary as Envoy is still going to contract significantly. Again, Envoy needs 40-50 new-hires in class starting NOW since it takes months to get someone on line (as PSA and others prove) and yet I hear nothing about this ?
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Originally Posted by TheFly View Post
I was in the jumpseat on a Mesa -900 last year & the CA said that LAX was going to be a domicile for them. PHX shrinking, ORD gone...what about the employees? This place has more rumors and propaganda than Joseph Gobbles. It may not be the same Mesa from 5 years ago, but there are better options.
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You're completely out of touch and you don't have enough information to make comments about the state of Mesa Airlines.
Yes, they closed ORD and CLT, and PHX is shrinking. However, they OPENED DFW and IAH, and expanded IAD. Base closures are not an indication of how well or how poorly the company is doing. If they were closing bases and furloughing, that's a different story. Resources are being reallocated to other bases that are growing.
Fact is, they just got 30 new 175's, and new CRJ900's. And for a while, upgrades were happening at under 1 year with the company; most recently this month with a JAN 2015 hire.
LAX was always temporary. Rumors flew about a possible base, but that's what they were; rumors.
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