Bounce back from firing
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You should ask for a copy of your training and employment record which the airline should provide on request. The record should indicate the circumstances of your termination or resignation. This is pretty much what someone would expect to find during a PRIA check.
It's one thing not to tell you why they did not hire you after an interview. But if you are terminated I can't see how they could have done it without giving a reason, even if the reason was vague. Having said that though, probation can be a tough period for a new hire because almost anything negative can trigger a dismissal.
It's one thing not to tell you why they did not hire you after an interview. But if you are terminated I can't see how they could have done it without giving a reason, even if the reason was vague. Having said that though, probation can be a tough period for a new hire because almost anything negative can trigger a dismissal.
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I'm curious as well. I was fired by a regional with no explanation, I was told they don't need to give me a reason. I was still in training when this happened which I guess gives them the ability to do whatever. I had asked for a change of sim schedule and a new sim partner on the advice of my sim instructor and the check airman who did our orals. We were in two differs places. He was a Cessna guy who need the sim time just to qual for a restricted ATP, I am an ATP with multiple types and 6,000 hrs, although all are not fixed wing.I really tried to help this guy but we couldn't get on the same page, he just didn't want to put much effort into studying and at a certain point I knew if we couldn't be on the same page it be all bad. Initially, my schedule was changed and did two flights with my new sim partner. Up until this point I received all Sat's on all training events. Then out of no where I was called into the office and informed my employment was terminated immediately. I'm still dumbfounded. I got my old job back flying citations but I don't want to be there forever. Any advice?
At that stage of the game if there's no record of problems in training, the assumption would be personality/attitude issues. Other employers will be wary because it's a lot easier to fix training struggles than personality.
Think back...
Could someone have overheard you complaining or talking smack?
Did you post anything on the internet?
Aviation is a very small world.
Looks like you're ex-mil RW? If they overheard you talking about how you're planning to be at DAL in three months they might have decided to save their training money.
They might also have decided you'll be a problem child based on the sim situation, although it sounds to me like you did the right thing there. Better than going down in flames with a weak sim partner. Odd that the sim instructor couldn't just hold the other person back.
Could have just been a personality conflict too.
If you can't find out what happened, you'll probably need to come up with a plausible explanation that can't be contradicted by PRIA. The best story I can think of is very close to the truth...tell them that you assume you were let go because you asked for new sim partner.
Be aware that in these sim partner compatibility situations, there's often an element of personality conflict. A potential employer may want to pull that thread in an interview.
You should probably do an interview prep seminar with Emerald Coast or the like, they've pretty much seen it all. Your real problem here is not getting hired by another regional (they're desperate), it's explaining this to a major without appearing deceitful. Unfortunately the truth, that you have no idea why you were let go, will leave some lingering suspicion that you're glossing over something else.
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I'm curious as well. I was fired by a regional with no explanation, I was told they don't need to give me a reason. I was still in training when this happened which I guess gives them the ability to do whatever. I had asked for a change of sim schedule and a new sim partner on the advice of my sim instructor and the check airman who did our orals. We were in two differs places. He was a Cessna guy who need the sim time just to qual for a restricted ATP, I am an ATP with multiple types and 6,000 hrs, although all are not fixed wing.I really tried to help this guy but we couldn't get on the same page, he just didn't want to put much effort into studying and at a certain point I knew if we couldn't be on the same page it be all bad. Initially, my schedule was changed and did two flights with my new sim partner. Up until this point I received all Sat's on all training events. Then out of no where I was called into the office and informed my employment was terminated immediately. I'm still dumbfounded. I got my old job back flying citations but I don't want to be there forever. Any advice?
Have over 8000 hours, have only had two jobs with an impeccable record, have applied to 4 regionals, only 2 were prepared to interview me and post interviews have had no feedback. I have no job and am now in a terrible predicament and feel like my flying life is over. 17-year career down the drain. What do I do? I do not think anyone is prepared to gove me a chance because of this latest catastrophe, this surely cannot be fair?
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Similar situation. Just before doing my checkride told I no longer have a job. Reason: we cannot tell you due to legal implications.
Have over 8000 hours, have only had two jobs with an impeccable record, have applied to 4 regionals, only 2 were prepared to interview me and post interviews have had no feedback. I have no job and am now in a terrible predicament and feel like my flying life is over. 17-year career down the drain. What do I do? I do not think anyone is prepared to gove me a chance because of this latest catastrophe, this surely cannot be fair?
Have over 8000 hours, have only had two jobs with an impeccable record, have applied to 4 regionals, only 2 were prepared to interview me and post interviews have had no feedback. I have no job and am now in a terrible predicament and feel like my flying life is over. 17-year career down the drain. What do I do? I do not think anyone is prepared to gove me a chance because of this latest catastrophe, this surely cannot be fair?
If they won't tell you, it might have been a bad reference call, ie one of your references or former employers had an axe to grind (hopefully you know your references better than that).
Might also have been background check. Pull ALL of your NDR, FAA, and PRIA info from former employers (hopefully you checked the box that you wanted copies. Pay for a comprehensive background check to make sure you don't have serious felonies on your record which you weren't aware of.
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Which airline was this? A major?
If they won't tell you, it might have been a bad reference call, ie one of your references or former employers had an axe to grind (hopefully you know your references better than that).
Might also have been background check. Pull ALL of your NDR, FAA, and PRIA info from former employers (hopefully you checked the box that you wanted copies. Pay for a comprehensive background check to make sure you don't have serious felonies on your record which you weren't aware of.
If they won't tell you, it might have been a bad reference call, ie one of your references or former employers had an axe to grind (hopefully you know your references better than that).
Might also have been background check. Pull ALL of your NDR, FAA, and PRIA info from former employers (hopefully you checked the box that you wanted copies. Pay for a comprehensive background check to make sure you don't have serious felonies on your record which you weren't aware of.
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I know 4 people at majors (1 at Delta) with felony arrests, none of them did HIMS. It certainly won't be easy, but you can definitely continue.
It will now fall on your shoulders to prove it was an isolated incident that you learned from, and have become a better person/employee because of it. Recruiters understand that people from all walks of life and occupations find themselves in trouble and it doesn't automatically mean they are bad people because of it.
Good luck to you, feel free to PM me and i think i may be able to help some more.
It will now fall on your shoulders to prove it was an isolated incident that you learned from, and have become a better person/employee because of it. Recruiters understand that people from all walks of life and occupations find themselves in trouble and it doesn't automatically mean they are bad people because of it.
Good luck to you, feel free to PM me and i think i may be able to help some more.
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