FDX Changing europe back end DH to operate
07-28-2010, 07:44 AM
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FDX Changing europe back end DH to operate
Capt and I just had our pairing revised to operate back from CDG to MEM instead of a DH. This is the 3rd time since march that this has happen. Capt said the same thing.
I think they are using these backend DH as stby crews. I wonder if the union tracks this. They should just build a stby period into the trip so I know that I should not bid it.
If I wanted to operate back I would have a bid a trip that goes back through MEM. I commute so it adds almost a day.
You do not see them changing many front end DH's to operate. Guess I will have to change my bidding.
Plus at the the end of a 15 day trip, so just want to get home!
I think they are using these backend DH as stby crews. I wonder if the union tracks this. They should just build a stby period into the trip so I know that I should not bid it.
If I wanted to operate back I would have a bid a trip that goes back through MEM. I commute so it adds almost a day.
You do not see them changing many front end DH's to operate. Guess I will have to change my bidding.
Plus at the the end of a 15 day trip, so just want to get home!
07-28-2010, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by max8222
Capt and I just had our pairing revised to operate back from CDG to MEM instead of a DH. This is the 3rd time since march that this has happen. Capt said the same thing.
I think they are using these backend DH as stby crews. I wonder if the union tracks this. They should just build a stby period into the trip so I know that I should not bid it.
If I wanted to operate back I would have a bid a trip that goes back through MEM. I commute so it adds almost a day.
You do not see them changing many front end DH's to operate. Guess I will have to change my bidding.
Plus at the the end of a 15 day trip, so just want to get home!
I think they are using these backend DH as stby crews. I wonder if the union tracks this. They should just build a stby period into the trip so I know that I should not bid it.
If I wanted to operate back I would have a bid a trip that goes back through MEM. I commute so it adds almost a day.
You do not see them changing many front end DH's to operate. Guess I will have to change my bidding.
Plus at the the end of a 15 day trip, so just want to get home!
07-28-2010, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by max8222
Capt and I just had our pairing revised to operate back from CDG to MEM instead of a DH. This is the 3rd time since march that this has happen. Capt said the same thing.
I think they are using these backend DH as stby crews. I wonder if the union tracks this. They should just build a stby period into the trip so I know that I should not bid it.
If I wanted to operate back I would have a bid a trip that goes back through MEM. I commute so it adds almost a day.
You do not see them changing many front end DH's to operate. Guess I will have to change my bidding.
Plus at the the end of a 15 day trip, so just want to get home!
I think they are using these backend DH as stby crews. I wonder if the union tracks this. They should just build a stby period into the trip so I know that I should not bid it.
If I wanted to operate back I would have a bid a trip that goes back through MEM. I commute so it adds almost a day.
You do not see them changing many front end DH's to operate. Guess I will have to change my bidding.
Plus at the the end of a 15 day trip, so just want to get home!
Make sure you file a pay log for disruption pay (loss of DH), nothing like a sharp stick to the eye after 15 days on the road.
07-28-2010, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 4A2B
Frustrating beyond compare! Unfortunately trip revision was given even more latitude in this contract and needs to be tightened up again, so tracking will only tell us what we already know: The Company is using everyone as in the field standby's, ones with back end deadheads are even more enticing since it leaves little or no back fill when they shuffle the pilots.
Make sure you file a pay log for disruption pay (loss of DH), nothing like a sharp stick to the eye after 15 days on the road.
Make sure you file a pay log for disruption pay (loss of DH), nothing like a sharp stick to the eye after 15 days on the road.
07-28-2010, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by v1 uh-oh
How is that a company that can track our fuel usage down to the pound, still have a system that requires us to submit a paylog. I would be interested in the percentage of pilots that forget/don't know to do it. This is something that needs to be fixed in the next contract. I would think the company could automate this VERY easily(if they wanted to). But then again, this is money saved by the company.
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07-28-2010, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by max8222
Capt and I just had our pairing revised to operate back from CDG to MEM instead of a DH. This is the 3rd time since march that this has happen. Capt said the same thing.
I think they are using these backend DH as stby crews. I wonder if the union tracks this. They should just build a stby period into the trip so I know that I should not bid it.
If I wanted to operate back I would have a bid a trip that goes back through MEM. I commute so it adds almost a day.
You do not see them changing many front end DH's to operate. Guess I will have to change my bidding.
Plus at the the end of a 15 day trip, so just want to get home!
I think they are using these backend DH as stby crews. I wonder if the union tracks this. They should just build a stby period into the trip so I know that I should not bid it.
If I wanted to operate back I would have a bid a trip that goes back through MEM. I commute so it adds almost a day.
You do not see them changing many front end DH's to operate. Guess I will have to change my bidding.
Plus at the the end of a 15 day trip, so just want to get home!
07-28-2010, 10:41 PM
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GOC sent us an ACARS message when we were on the approach into CDG to call CRS when we arrived. Our dispo had the new sched when we went into Flt ops also. Was told the HKG-CDG crew had to turn back to HKG. So we are finishing their trip CDG-MEM.
As for calling in fatigued, if it was a hub turn that would be OK. We have 30 hr layover in CDG before operating.
I also agree that the company will automate the portions in our pay when they save money and leave the ones that are beneficial to us to fill out a pay log. I am sure many pilots have lost tons of pay because they did not file a pay log when they were due$.
As for calling in fatigued, if it was a hub turn that would be OK. We have 30 hr layover in CDG before operating.
I also agree that the company will automate the portions in our pay when they save money and leave the ones that are beneficial to us to fill out a pay log. I am sure many pilots have lost tons of pay because they did not file a pay log when they were due$.
07-28-2010, 10:54 PM
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If you call in fatigued, file for Workman's Compensation with the state to recover your lost wages. It doesn't solve Crew Sched jacking you around but it eliminates the loss of pay from calling in fatigued and having the company take it of of your pay. Maybe if paying WC complaints became too expensive, the company would change their processes.
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