Amazon Prime Day July 11th frustrations?
07-10-2017 | 01:50 PM
#11
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Quit flying broken jets, waiving the contract and flying fatigued will go a long way to convince Amazon to play ball by ruining their Prime Day.
07-10-2017 | 02:21 PM
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How does Amazon have an active "roll"... your words, in contractor negotiation? If they did have any "roll", they would be exercising operational control and therefore, subject to the FAA requiring them to form their own AOC, which is the wet dream of Amazon contractor pilots.
I have to tread softly on this answer
Amazon has presence at both ATLAS and ATSG headquarters. Those offices are staffed with Amazon people and I can promise you planes are routed and alternates even selected with their approval. Its a grey area of how much do we serve the customer needs and when said customer has "control"
07-10-2017 | 02:33 PM
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People are growing ever more frustrated here. The union's lack of communications after the last meeting was like a deafening alarm. Lastly their total lack of guidance or future strategy was strangely absent.
Prime day should be and is fair game. Best time isn't merely one day, its a certain 2-4 weeks toward the end of the year. This way the other carriers are already at capacity and extra lift is near impossible and at a major premium.
Someone will chime in and call anything an illegal strike. If the three pilot groups walked you'll get international media attention. You really think they're gonna fire everyone...
Prime day should be and is fair game. Best time isn't merely one day, its a certain 2-4 weeks toward the end of the year. This way the other carriers are already at capacity and extra lift is near impossible and at a major premium.
Someone will chime in and call anything an illegal strike. If the three pilot groups walked you'll get international media attention. You really think they're gonna fire everyone...
2) Thats and excellent point. Without all the addition stress the holidays put on the system any disruption will be a brief bump is all
3)All strikes must be treated as legitimate strikes until a ruling is made. I guess ATI never got the memo.
07-10-2017 | 02:45 PM
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I have to tread softly on this answer
Amazon has presence at both ATLAS and ATSG headquarters. Those offices are staffed with Amazon people and I can promise you planes are routed and alternates even selected with their approval. Its a grey area of how much do we serve the customer needs and when said customer has "control"
Amazon has presence at both ATLAS and ATSG headquarters. Those offices are staffed with Amazon people and I can promise you planes are routed and alternates even selected with their approval. Its a grey area of how much do we serve the customer needs and when said customer has "control"
07-10-2017 | 03:27 PM
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I know they dictate alternates, schedules etc to us. That's typical with an ACMI operation. That's not operational control, they aren't running MX, WX, scheduling etc etc and releasing aircraft
That's a good point of the grey area of customer services versus them actually tuning the show.
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07-10-2017 | 05:41 PM
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So your back to how ATI negotiations started? Wait until Atlas & ABX get a contract and then settle for something close but of course less.
07-10-2017 | 06:15 PM
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I don't think so.
It's in our interest and yours, everybody for that matter, for us to be on parity. Most importantly ABX/ATI. Similar contracts would prevent whipsawing. Ideally that would lead to one contract. Emotions aside it's the only way to keep us from cutting one another's throats in a whipsaw war.
We shouldn't worry about the F'ing catastrophe management has put us through in the past. We should prevent these pricks from creating another one.
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07-10-2017 | 10:59 PM
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How does Amazon have an active "roll"... your words, in contractor negotiation? If they did have any "roll", they would be exercising operational control and therefore, subject to the FAA requiring them to form their own AOC, which is the wet dream of Amazon contractor pilots.
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