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WingOffLight

In the last 4 days certain out stations have been excessively slow while processing average loads. I personally don't know if its "organized".

I can say this, Amazon does not deal with organized labor or job actions favorably.

CargoPirate

Maybe the Teamsters should organize the ground personEl at Amazon and DHL.

Then imaging the influence the unions would have.

motorclutch

What makes you think the Teamsters are not organizing ?

WingOffLight

I dont mean this in a derogatory way but I don't think some have sense enough to organize. If guided maybe? CVG will have to be locked down on scope. The only way to really control that scope is to control all aspects, trucking to flying. The only union that can effectively do that is teamsters. If I still had a medical this is the way I'd see it. ALPA is a broke union that capitulates to political and management needs.

That brings up an interesting concept to your ongoing ATI/ABX vs ATSG battle. I understand that your maintenance is shared. I mean ATI wrenching on ABX and vise versa am I correct ? I would bet there is a big pay disparity there as well. Get maintenance to organize under the same union. It wouldn't matter what alpa does, alpa backed planes wouldn't launch. Daily, service, Preflight, etc would cease.

motorclutch

Regarding maintenance. Years ago we had an organizing effort in Wilmington, at this time we were loaded with highly skilled and highly compensated mechs. But they bought into the Hete plantation mentality and most of them are now gone. (At half the wage rate). The guys now are not as skilled and probably can't go other places; therefor they are stuck and overly thankful for a substandard wage.
Does this scenario sound familiar? ATI crew members ?

Omnipotent

Gotta love AMES. One day they are highly paid ABX AMT's, the next day..... Same work, half the pay and bennies as AMES employees.

Omnipotent

If the "highly educated" ATI pilots are too stupid to see the logic of having the Teamsters control the ramp, what makes you think a lowly ramper/sorter will want to join?

WingOffLight

I faintly remember those days, there was an effort around/after the Germans took you over in 03. Times are different now, those guys will remember the screw job they got.

If one group organized in CVG the rest would fall like dominos.

I say that yet ATI is has the lowest labor rate on the ramp by no small margin. I know even their maintenance and ground people are 20-30% lower than anyone on the ramp. Their pilots are 30-50% lower as well. I figured there would be more of a push there. I know their management reads this board and probably post here too. Gaining business that way has never worked in the past.

motorclutch

Amen brother! Yes they read this forum but are either too greedy or stupid to deal with the problem. Historical note: After the Tutonic wonders bought us and Donoway got his millions, a call went out for a president who shutdown ATA. Now we have the double edged threat. Really what does it take to be president or Vice President at an ACMI carrier? Prerequisite one: Fog a Mirror