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03-12-2007 | 06:00 PM
#61
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If anyone is keeping track, I just got the call today for a "contingent" job offer pending the drug screen/security ck. They said they would call back upon successful completion and offer a class date. To any recent new-hires, what was the turnaround from drug test to class date?
To all those still swimming... Good luck. Hope to see you on the "line" (or sitting reserve;-)
To all those still swimming... Good luck. Hope to see you on the "line" (or sitting reserve;-)
03-12-2007 | 06:33 PM
#62
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It's bad enough we let civilians without any formal flight training become airline pilots. Allowing civilians without degrees into the club just dumbs it down even more.
In all seriousness, having the degree just shows the desire of an applicant. Everyone knows that major airlines "highly prefer" degrees so why would a serious applicant not have one? There are exceptions that get hired, but I can only imagine their quals.
In all seriousness, having the degree just shows the desire of an applicant. Everyone knows that major airlines "highly prefer" degrees so why would a serious applicant not have one? There are exceptions that get hired, but I can only imagine their quals.
03-12-2007 | 07:37 PM
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I just don't want to be in a profession where there is not a requirement for a degree. Like someone previously posted almost everyone has a degree. How can a guy without a college education think he deserves a 6 figure income? I want every pilot in my union to be as highly qualified as possible. Flying cargo airplanes is not that hard and the difference between the "best" and the "average" airline pilot is minimal. So, IMO, pilot skills are a wash once you reach the major airline level. Airlines should be hiring problem solvers and independent thinkers.
03-12-2007 | 08:22 PM
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From: MD-11 F/O
http://www.chehalis.k12.wa.us/cms/de...ucation(1).pdf
http://loki.stockton.edu/~quinnj/Survey/som/13binc.htm
Let's sum this up and move along:
Can a pilot without a college degree do well? Of course.
Are you better off, in the long run, getting a degree? Of course.
Do you have a better chance of getting a good job if you have a degree? Of course.
Can you find examples that contradict the above statements? Of course.
Should you make your life decisions based on these exceptions? Hell no.
I relate this discussion to seat-belt theory. Have you ever run into someone who didn't wear their seat-belt because they knew a guy who survived an accident because he wasn't wearing his seat-belt? It does happen, albeit rarely. Is it a smart decision to not wear your belt based on this one data point? You decide.
P.S. If Yeager had a degree, he would have been an astronaut.
http://loki.stockton.edu/~quinnj/Survey/som/13binc.htm
Let's sum this up and move along:
Can a pilot without a college degree do well? Of course.
Are you better off, in the long run, getting a degree? Of course.
Do you have a better chance of getting a good job if you have a degree? Of course.
Can you find examples that contradict the above statements? Of course.
Should you make your life decisions based on these exceptions? Hell no.
I relate this discussion to seat-belt theory. Have you ever run into someone who didn't wear their seat-belt because they knew a guy who survived an accident because he wasn't wearing his seat-belt? It does happen, albeit rarely. Is it a smart decision to not wear your belt based on this one data point? You decide.
P.S. If Yeager had a degree, he would have been an astronaut.
03-12-2007 | 09:40 PM
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From: I was acquired, Not Hired
[quote=L'il J.Seinfeld;132511]It's bad enough we let civilians without any formal flight training become airline pilots. Allowing civilians without degrees into the club just dumbs it down even more.
Would you care to explain what constitutes "formal training" ?
Maybe I'm reading too much into your post, but is there something wrong with pilots who went the "civilian" route in becoming airline pilots ???
Finally, I've flown with a handful of pilots who don't have a four year degree for one reason or another, mostly financial. And yet, they were outstanding pilots and certaintly not "dumb".
FF
Would you care to explain what constitutes "formal training" ?
Maybe I'm reading too much into your post, but is there something wrong with pilots who went the "civilian" route in becoming airline pilots ???
Finally, I've flown with a handful of pilots who don't have a four year degree for one reason or another, mostly financial. And yet, they were outstanding pilots and certaintly not "dumb".
FF
03-12-2007 | 11:00 PM
#67
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From: MD-11 F/O
It's bad enough we let civilians without any formal flight training become airline pilots. Allowing civilians without degrees into the club just dumbs it down even more.
In all seriousness, having the degree just shows the desire of an applicant. Everyone knows that major airlines "highly prefer" degrees so why would a serious applicant not have one? There are exceptions that get hired, but I can only imagine their quals.
In all seriousness, having the degree just shows the desire of an applicant. Everyone knows that major airlines "highly prefer" degrees so why would a serious applicant not have one? There are exceptions that get hired, but I can only imagine their quals.
I would venture a guess that the 'In all seriousness' phrase of the second paragraph is designed to modify the first paragraph to be read as sarcasm...but it's hard to tell in the written (typed) word.
03-13-2007 | 04:18 AM
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From: MD-11 FO
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03-13-2007 | 04:26 AM
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14LEDs...Congrats from a fellow swimmer. Turnaround from drug test to class offer seems to be about a week. The next two classes are 3/22 and 4/11....all MD-11s. I haven't heard anyone say they are these 2 classes yet, so I bet either is a possibility for you. Do you have international/heavy time? How long did you swim in the pool?
We shall see... The pay cut is going to be tough for the 1st year though. That is causing some slight stress.
Good Luck to you!
03-13-2007 | 05:04 AM
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