Dude, ATI is ALPA. it's not just regionals. ALPA just fought a single carrier petition by an airline that is *very clearly* being whipsawed. They sided with management to protect an industry bottom airline and contract at a time when competitors are signing contracts with 2-3x ATI's pay. There is no way you don't know this... You are completely whiffing if you think ALPA is going to be a good thing for Kalitta because Kalitta isn't a regional. You've got an ACMI industry leading contract under Teamsters, I am sorry you didn't get the 24+hr duty day you wanted (I understand the arguments both for and against that). Stay united.

We're 450 deep and will be over 500 by the end of the year. These guys are a small percentage of the -400 group (mostly ex-ata) and won't get very far. 2/3rds of the seniority group has less than 18mos on the property and couldent care less.

Will be old news soon enough.

I have industry leading healthcare, and make much more money than all of my neighbors. I left my last job and got a pay increase starting at the bottom of a new seniority list.
It is a stupid game to play, comparing ourselves to others, when we should be taking notice of our current QOL.
Might as well compare ourselves to Bezos if we want to always feel ****y.
And we DO have an industry leading ACMI contract, yet people still give us grief on these forums? Get real...

Wisdom!!! Proud K4 alumni : )

Not really my style to pick on people, but this sort of stuff really needs to be called out.

"Industry leading ACMI contract"? That's like saying "Jumbo Shrimp".

And believe me, I'm a proud 1224 ACMI pilot, not some Primadonna FedEx White Glover.

Let's just keep it real.

You don't have an ACMI contract, Mr Kalitta has ACMI contracts with various airlines and forwarders, you have a pilot contract with an ACMI carrier that should be compared to other pilot contracts. The fact that you make more than your neighbors is totally subjective and subject to where you live. If you lived in a swanky part of Atlanta your neighbors would all be Delta pilots and you wouldn't be the big dog at the block party. I'm not trying to bust your cojones, you guys fought a long hard fight for your well deserved improvements but there will be more fights to come with DHL and eventually for you guys Amazon too. ALPA despise ACMI, it goes against everything they stand for. They will take your dues and undermine your position.
Again this is not a rant against you guys, I have and have had several friends over there across the years, all great guys and great pilots. Good luck to all of us but we need to help that luck where we can.

One the bright side our (ATI) CNC and that of ABX have developed a relationship and have been working together and sharing information.

I cant stand ALPA for more reasons than I could ever list on here. It seems to me in the OP that the problem stood with teamster by-laws and not necessarily representation. That being the case, thats what needs to be addressed rather than skip and run to a weak union that DOES NOT represent the ramp.

Personally I would figure out the key individuals pushing this and watch them like a hawk. My bet they end up as management or some made up position if this prevails. Thats how they do stuff here at ATI and your guys may have copied our management playbook.

This ramp needs to be locked down with contracts that are on parity and scoped air tight. You cant do that with ALPA not as an ACMI. Literally the best argument is looking at current CBA's and whose representing them.




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Clearly you were not involved in this process at all. We obtained a better contract than we had, many months later that we should have, INSPITE OF THE TEAMSTERS. (AKA DW)

Excellent points. Now, can we please move back to a discussion regarding how K4 and all of the other airlines can get out of the agreement that gives DW and DW alone the power to say yea or neigh to a contract being viewed and voted on by a pilot group. Keep in mind that this is even when a negotiation committee votes 100% for sending a contract for a vote.

I have voted to move this process forward in the hopes that the movement, vote, and discussion, will force DW's cold dead hands off of the next unions tenative agreement.

Instead of complaining and name calling, perhaps some intelligent ideas can come forth. Once this bull**** happens to you and you leave thousands of dollars on the table because of some selfish move by DW, you will better understand where the K4 pilot group is coming from.

I retire in 2.5 years. I won't be here for another contract. I do see the wisdom in doing something now. What I had hoped to see, was the other pilot groups step up and say, What is the issue? What can we do to solve it? I don't expect the 1224 Eboard do anything because doing anything to change the rules hurts Atlas.

PS Code Red, if you are planning on staying at K4 you had better pay more attention to what is going on. This issue going away unaddressed will come back to bite you big time

The 1224 GMM quarterly is coming up soon

Let's see if if anybody at K4 has the courage to bring this up at the meeting.