Riverside

There were 3 of them with a foot of snow on them.

80Z28Dude

…….. and now there’s one at the November gate with no snow on it.

80Z28Dude

. With new pay scale and OT pay changes a first year guy at 20 days a month is $116K a year. This doesn’t include per diem at $60 a day, holiday pay, or bonuses which have been paid 4 of the last six years. There is a 3 year retention bonus of $30K also. So a first year pilot could easily make $135K in total gross compensation.

dera

So less than Atlas?

bajthejino

I haven't crunched the numbers because I'm not entirely sure what the numbers are at either carrier-but couldn't one argue that with Gateway travel at Atlas, you have fewer days off than with WG with their true home basing and travel being done on days 1 & 17? And then new hire pay being $1600/month for 4 months at Atlas, wouldn't that put first year pay lower vs WG? Now, after year one is complete I don't know who would make more money or have a higher QOL...

dera

He said WG with 20 days on. That's more than Atlas even with gateway travel. And the new hire pay is closer to 4000/month because of the 24/7 per diem, it's higher than WG.

80Z28Dude

. To go about this on a common basis, the numbers I provided were the first year after completion of IOE. You should be completed all training about 3 months after class start date at WGA. I don’t know the details of Atlas pay, so if you do, post it for a comparison. How long does trading take and what would be the amount for the first 12 months after completion of training?

80Z28Dude

. To go about this on a common basis, the numbers I provided were the first year after completion of IOE. You should be completed all training about 3 months after class start date at WGA. I don’t know the details of Atlas pay, so if you do, post it for a comparison. How long does trading take and what would be the amount for the first 12 months after completion of training?

Swakid8

Losing days off with Gateway is all dependent on where one lives in relative to their base. Those who live base aren’t losing days off, those with good flight options to their bases aren’t losing days off too much. Those who see the pain with losing days off with Gateway travel are those with long commutes to their base. Let’s get those facts out there.

That 116 includes extension pay of 20 days? If so, then no WGA compensation doesn’t beat Atlas 5y first year. Minus the base training pay (no per diem included) at 4 months (worst case scenario), a Atlas 747 FO has to average a credit of 117 per month over a 8 month period to be 116K. That’s hard to do in a normal environment, but if one was to be extended up to 3 days involuntarily each month at Atlas up to 20 days to match those of WGA, then yes. If you want to include bonuses, then I’ll toss in our premium flying in and out of China and other CDC level 4 places that is paying 175 percent that can have a person break 117 hours easily….

The compensation actually might be very close at the end of the day for first year if we are talking base pay at min guarantee…

JohnBurke

WGA 17 days X 382/day (1st year pay) = 6494/month X 12 months = 77928/year

Atlas 117/hour X 64 hours/month (1st year pay) = 7488/month X 12 months = 89856/year


One does not count perdiem as income.

Given changing goalposts for bonuses, incentives, etc, one cannot count on those.

ESOP doesn't pay out at present, and is vaporware until it does. If it doesn't get withdrawn for those who join the union.

WGA's 10% pay increase puts a 382 entry wage at 420. Therefore
WGA 17 days X 420/day (1st year pay) = 7140/month X 12 months = 85680/year



Pilot 101: You only ever count on base pay. Anything else is gravy, but an unhatched chicken that one should not count prematurely.