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Screwed 02-09-2018 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by hackerbyday (Post 2523880)
Could this be a safety issue? Maybe, but not during a flight control check on the ground. If a persons size interferes with aircreaft control then yes and I would hope that it would have been identified during simulator training.
That being said if this was a TRUE safety issue for you then why did you continue the flight with this individual? Kind of like saying braking action is NIL then continuing to taxi. I feel that you are only interested in stirring the pot and embarrassing the Captain. I would be careful of such actions as this could be construed as workplace harassment.

How is it workplace harassment to inform the union of a probable/ even possible safety issue.

What level of flight control restriction is okay? Who gets to make the decision? I can't find anything in FAA Documentation that says it is okay to have flight control restricted movement. Could you point that out for me?

It is not harassment of any kind to point out to the union or the company for that matter a possible safety of flight issue. It is in fact HIS JOB to alert the proper authorities of any possible safety issues.

Only in bizarro PC world could this possible be seen harassment.

hackerbyday 02-09-2018 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by Screwed (Post 2523974)

It is not harassment of any kind to point out to the union or the company for that matter a possible safety of flight issue. It is in fact HIS JOB to alert the proper authorities of any possible safety issues.

Only in bizarro PC world could this possible be seen harassment.

But this person didn’t, they came to a forum where, like us, has anonymity to make public a situation that may be very sensitive to the Captain. A person I’m sure is identifiable now by many just by this description. The place to take this to is the Union/Company preferably in that order.

hackerbyday 02-09-2018 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Screwed (Post 2523974)
What level of flight control restriction is okay? Who gets to make the decision? I can't find anything in FAA Documentation that says it is okay to have flight control restricted movement. Could you point that out for me?

How aggressively did the FO attempt to make the control check on the ground? Just touch his stomach lightly and stop? Says he made a comment, if truly concerned about the control check ask to have the Capt suck it in or move the seat back. We’ve all flown with individuals that we have had to ask this of, and most of them know this and move before hand. None of us are solid rock and would give if aggressive movement was needed. Bottom line don’t fly if you feel unsafe.

It’s funny though how people start out by saying its not meant to be malicious but then continue to shame someone on a public forum.
The first line should say find a better way.

FlyBoat 02-09-2018 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2523721)
Depends what you’re flying.
The flight control check is there to make sure the flight controls are clear from any ( internal) obstructions.
I haven’t flown a Part 23 or 25 airplane yet that requires full elevator travel during normal or abnormal operations.
Ask him to slide his seat back for the flight control check.
To me this would be more of a medical issue.

Straight off the FCOM. Suggest you re-read...

Flight controls .................................................. ........Checked C, F/O

Make slow and deliberate inputs, one direction at a time.

Move the control wheel and the control column to full travel in both directions and verify: • freedom of movement • that the controls return to center • correct flight control movement on the EICAS display

No Land 3 02-09-2018 03:14 PM

This is what happens when you hire snow flakes

RandomPerson 02-09-2018 04:48 PM

How would it work out if this individual had to evac from the window on the 767?

No Land 3 02-09-2018 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by RandomPerson (Post 2524285)
How would it work out if this individual had to evac from the window on the 767?

That would be his problem, no one else’s.

freighthound 02-09-2018 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by RandomPerson (Post 2524285)
How would it work out if this individual had to evac from the window on the 767?

It would probably be like Winnie the Pooh stuck in Rabbits doorway after eating too much honey! :D

B757 02-09-2018 08:30 PM

..Safety issue or not, I would not fly any aircraft where full and unrestricted flight control movements were not available..I can think of several abnormals / emergencies where full elevator up travel might be needed..Having flown the boeing I know it is a quality machine, but....

Fly safe,
B757

Kougarok 02-10-2018 12:02 AM


Originally Posted by RandomPerson (Post 2524285)
How would it work out if this individual had to evac from the window on the 767?

It’s been done.


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