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Originally Posted by l8fr82hub
(Post 2544184)
Yes, please elorate.
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Originally Posted by l8fr82hub
(Post 2544143)
Correct,and the guy sitting in the clapped out old 757 freighter in CVG would also make $191,746.56. Point is that our TA annual guarantees match Kalitta's contract (except for first year pay) pretty much to the penny.
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Originally Posted by l8fr82hub
(Post 2544016)
The hourly pay and monthly guarantee are right here on APC. They even provide a handy calculator to determine annual guarantee.
So 12 year top captain pay for each airline currently is: ABX $$178,704 Atlas $158,472 Amerijet $134,160 Southern $129,594 The Proposed TA would put a topped out Captain at $191,747 at DOS and $219,856 at the end of the contract. C’mon Man!! |
Originally Posted by gumpscheck
(Post 2544212)
I will only make reference to the ABX numbers. Those are nine years old and a concessionary CBA. The ATI’s proposed TA is only 13k more than ABX’s. Are you feeling proud about that when Spirit and Omni are passing you all by at least a mile?
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Originally Posted by Red Baron
(Post 2544197)
Sure thing. First of all, Kalitta pay does not have a narrow body "B" scale. Most importantly, Omni has set the new standard and if this TA is voted in it will be considered industry concessionary. ATSG had a chance to get this pilot group under contract back in the Fall, but instead played games. Don't fall for the fool's gold being offered!
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Looking at this TA a few items that need commentary, seems like ppl are blinded by the potential $$ signs (which are not that great) and skimming over other points that make up this TA and the quality of your life.
*Business class travel...>8hrs segment..hmm how many times will we use that one?......NO *Hotel accommodations layovers >8 hrs ...again won't be utilized....NO *Per Diem rates....I like to eat healthy and good, this does not come close....NO *Retirement....NO CHANGES capped by IRS not ATI...NO *Recorded Data Protections?....Needs greater claification *And last but certainly not least ....NO SIGNING BONUS ...WTFFF..NOOOO ***please help me understand again why this is good so I can vote yes. although it is a fair starting point it is very weak overall and we are leaving way too much on the table. please chime in luv to hear others views |
Originally Posted by l8fr82hub
(Post 2544224)
Take a look at the airline profiles on this site- less pay for smaller airplanes IS the industry standard. I’m surprised they didn’t try to reduce our 757 pay like they’ve tried in the past. Clearly Kalitta has no plans to operate any narrow bodies under the K4 certificate. I believe our 737 rates are still in effect and this should be a big improvement to them should we ever get some.
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Originally Posted by MentalMidget
(Post 2544229)
Looking at this TA a few items that need commentary, seems like ppl are blinded by the potential $$ signs (which are not that great) and skimming over other points that make up this TA and the quality of your life.
*Business class travel...>8hrs segment..hmm how many times will we use that one?......NO *Hotel accommodations layovers >8 hrs ...again won't be utilized....NO *Per Diem rates....I like to eat healthy and good, this does not come close....NO *Retirement....NO CHANGES capped by IRS not ATI...NO *Recorded Data Protections?....WTF....NO *And last but certainly not least ....NO SIGNING BONUS ...WTFFF..NOOOO ***please help me understand again why this is good so I can vote yes. although it is a fair starting point it is very weak overall and we are leaving way too much on the table. please chime in luv to hear others views |
[QUOTE=l8fr82hub;2544224]Take a look at the airline profiles on this site- less pay for smaller airplanes IS the industry standard.
Not in the cargo/non-sched world! |
Originally Posted by l8fr82hub
(Post 2544224)
Take a look at the airline profiles on this site- less pay for smaller airplanes IS the industry standard. I’m surprised they didn’t try to reduce our 757 pay like they’ve tried in the past. Clearly Kalitta has no plans to operate any narrow bodies under the K4 certificate. I believe our 737 rates are still in effect and this should be a big improvement to them should we ever get some.
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