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JonnyKnoxville 03-07-2018 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by midnightshuttle (Post 2545631)
Today our MEC chairman said if we didnt vote this in we would be stuck for 2yrs in mediation.

Our CNC were there too. Vote it in or we are DOOMED

Oh well

More likely management needs you guys to vote it in or they are doomed.

Asci 03-07-2018 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by midnightshuttle (Post 2545631)
Today our MEC chairman said if we didnt vote this in we would be stuck for 2yrs in mediation.

Our CNC were there too. Vote it in or we are DOOMED

Oh well

Just my humble opinion but that’s a load of bs. ATI management played hardball until a negotiator was assigned. Then in the 11th hour they made a deal. If this gets voted down they will play the same game of chicken again until the first meeting with the negotiater is scheduled again (in June) and come back to the table with an Omni contract (slightly better than k4).
The pilot group will have to vote it down again and then make their own deal before the third meeting with the negotiator is scheduled.
K4 pilots work 16 days less per year than ATI pilots and have had a contract for ~15 months already so there is no reason ATI shouldn’t have a ~12% higher yearly wage starting at DOS with 5% raises over the length of the contract. With the record profits ATSG is posting a profit sharing direct 401k contribution would go a long way as well.

Industry Strnd 03-07-2018 07:46 PM

It's interesting that the negotiating committee knows exactly how long mediation would be. In 2 years if the company doesn't get a better deal they won't exist in today's environment, everyone will work at all the carriers that have already gave their pilots industry leading contracts. The bottom line is everyone is getting contracts better than the last one agreed to except ATI/ ALPA.

No Land 3 03-07-2018 10:24 PM

Your MEC is using scare tactics of mediation? This is directly out of the playbook of Mesa’s corrupt and paid for union!!! Fire them all!!!!

MentalMidget 03-08-2018 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2543656)
The very second the MEC appears to be doing a sales job to the pilot group, arguing in favor of management, you need to clean house, fire all of them. I witnessed this with BR at Mesa. Stockholm Syndrome is real, and those infected need to be removed from all union posts.


this is a reality now at ATI, we voted in a new MEC but the negotiating committee is a left over from the old regime.

Industry Strnd 03-08-2018 04:20 AM

Its a scare tactic from alpa national. Do you think when delta and soutwest voted down their 1st TAs thir union tried to scare them too?

Jurassic Jet 03-08-2018 04:39 AM

A little charter airline with $336 million in REVENUE last year (not profit), is going to best ATI that’s owned by a company that had nearly $100 million in PROFIT during the last 3 MONTHS?

Higher pay.

Business class over 3.

Better 401k.

Really guys? It’s time to make ATSG step up. Don’t fall prey to the threats.

midnightshuttle 03-08-2018 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2545750)
Your MEC is using scare tactics of mediation? This is directly out of the playbook of Mesa’s corrupt and paid for union!!! Fire them all!!!!

ATI “IS” MESA

we call it Mesa Cargo

thesandbox 03-08-2018 06:05 AM

on the crew bus this morning in CVG....ATI pilot to Kalitta pilot sitting across from him... "well it definitely is not as good as yours but it's good enough to keep me here" ....wow...just wow.

atpcliff 03-08-2018 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by maxjet (Post 2544883)
Wow! Written by a pilot who must live in base. How about home basing and pay. 100 million in profit? Being whipsawed against ABX? Sorry I would have to vote No.

Kalitta has home basing, and they have a pretty decent contract...MUCH better pay than ATI's.


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