frozenboxhauler

Purple now has B757 Captains with less than 3 years on the property.
fbh

Lockheed

Man dont be so optimistic

lionflyer

More like realistic.

CallmeJB

This, unwittingly, is the most accurate post about ACMI.

Stimpy the Kat

" ...Tick tock, our CBA becomes amendable soon. With better union representation that will work for and open the sections that WE want. "

I would respectfully disagree.

Contract 101/Day ONE:

Union: So, we have decided we only want to open the following sections..

Company: That's nice. We really feel the need to open ALL of them.

It doesn't matter who the representation is, Teamsters/ALPA/In-House..It is generally in any company's best interest to delay and stall as long as possible and, this is the first tool in the box to achieve that goal.

Have selected sections been agreed upon by Union and Management before?

Yes. When it is to the Company's advantage to do so.

I believe both American and United may have done so in the past decade. (?)

Cest La Vie.




STIMPY

vroll1800

Incident: Kalitta B744 at Hong Kong on Apr 30th 2018, gear problem after departure

OP, or anyone else considering ACMI vs ULCC question should read this incident. Please note the 16.5 hr. ground time between returning to land, and resuming original Hong Kong to Bishkek flight. Also note arriving 18 hours late.

This begs the question of if the original crew, or a substitute crew flew the 2nd flight. If the former, did original crew get crew rest at hotel (e.g., taken off duty)for (xx) hours, or were they "left on the hook" for the ground delay, thus being on duty for 24 hours or more. Perhaps some K4 poster could enlighten at least 1 inquiring mind.

Ask yourself if you'd be willing to subject yourself to this kind of duty period several(many?) times throughout the year(s).

CallmeJB

Troll bait?

There's no way that was operated by the original crew without a new rest period.

Locke

Nope, they went back to the hotel. Ask yourself, would you be willing to go back to sleep in the Shangri La multiple times in your career?

Lockheed

Almost took the bait
Almost

vroll1800

No troll bait. Just trying to illustrate one difference between ULCC and ACMI ops for the benefit of the OP.

In this case, the crew* and the airplane were the only one for many miles (and hours flight time) around. Versus a similar event happening at , say, Jet Blue out of JFK. In that case, they'd either get a new aircraft to continue to original destination, or flight would be canceled, passengers booked on another flight. Flight crew sent home with pay, or reassigned to another sequence with equal or greater pay.

ACMI, you're often IT effectively chained to the airplane. The followup questions are more interesting. Did company say to crew upon landing "OK, fellas, go to hotel, get 16 hours rest, and report back to continue flight." OR was crew strung along for several hours, and upon realizing that problem wouldn't be solved so quickly sent crew to hotel to get minimum rest prior to continuing flight ?
Even if the later scenario didn't actually happen, prospective Acmi pilots can expect such a scenario to happen several times. "Plane will be fixed in 2 hours" ranks up there with "check is in the mail" for truthfulness and accuracy.

I brought up the 24 hour question, because the 24 hour issue was repeatedly cited as one of K4 pilot's major beef with 1224 leadership. Might Bishkek be one of those places where K4 crew might want to exercise the 24 hour double crew duty day to "get out of Dodge ?"

Lastly, I didn't post avherald link just to pick on K4. It just happened to be the most immediate incident available to illustrate the potential differences in duty days between Acmi carriers, and ULCC hub and spoke ops.

* I'm guessing if a different crew flew the aircraft into HKG that they were not available to fly delayed leg because they were in crew rest, or they already had (or were slated to) commercial home or somewhere else for another assignment.