thesandbox

ATI flies their own cargo out of CVG? hmmmm...I thought it was DHL or Amazon freight. How much are you guys paying for ramp space and renting of the facilities there????

point432

What you’ve been told??? You work there, right? Unless you’re living in some sort of alternate ATI universe, ATI has been doing primarily the same stuff ABX has been doing also for awhile. ATI isn’t on the same league as Fedex and UPS.


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tonsterboy5

Well I tried to do research, and your statement still makes no sense, why does it matter if the other pilots flew? The fact they didn’t fly is what ****ed off the judge forcing everyone back to work. If had just been ABX planes on the ground the impact for the customers and commerce in general would of been minimal but abx would of had zero revenue for longer actually forcing them to negotiate a better contract. But instead the simple act of stopping everything for everybody is what the problem was.

The whole idea of strike is to impact the company that is being struck, not every airline and customer of said airlines. (Yes I understand that a whole industry can strike but that’s for industry wide changes not a new contract for one company)

So instead of being condescending and saying do research and everyone else held the line so why didn’t they. Help me understand why it makes any difference at all? “It’s about letting the company know they have to follow the contract” is your whole argument, well by stopping all commerce for companies that were following their contract is not how you do that. It’s like dropping a nuke on Seattle cause your mad at amazon? Yea you proved your point to Amazon but destroyed Microsoft, Boeing, and a whole bunch of other things in the process.

I really want to know why other companies have to lose revenue? The strike against ABX would of been successful if they and only they had the financial harm inflicted on them. But I bet you don’t have the intelligence to answer that, you only let others think for you and
can’t apply logic.
You still never answered my question, If AA pilots strike can pilots for other airlines sill fly their routes?

And lastly scab has been brought up numerous times in this thread calling those that fly ati planes scabs, calling the CP one the managers ETC. I didn’t just pull it out of my ass like your pulled your answer out.

No Land 3

Would of been more interesting if that happened today with a second ALPA pilot group in CVG. I don't believe it would of been in ATI's favor.

Bungalow

Apoplectic syndrome strikes again. Forget scab management. How’s your blood pressure doing ?

nitefr8dog

I feel like I am taking to a 4 yr old. You are trying to reason why you should be able to eat Doritos for breakfast....saying " I just don't understand " . . clueless

Reactivity

You seem to be assuming that the strike was about contract negotiations. It was not. It was about correcting status quo violations of the current contract, and it did that.

I can see how some might think this thread has gone off into the weeds. But the fact is that when you go to work for ATI, you're not just working for ATI. You're working for ATSG, and the current management is perfectly happy to play one pilot group against the other to achieve their goals. This is what you're in for when you work there - don't think it won't happen to you just because you made them happy this time. The Omni group has no idea what they're in for the next time they go into contract negotiations. ATSG is going to try to push a deal just like ATI's on them. Then you're going to have TWO pilot groups unhappy with you. And some among the ATI group have said after the signing the current substandard deal, "we'll get it next time". No, you won't. It's already been shown that ALPA will roll over, and with a no strike clause in your contract, you have ZERO leverage. You'll be in negotiations for years just to get another substandard deal.

Good luck.

Reactivity

First: "would HAVE".

And no, it would not have. ATSG doesn't care who generates the revenue. They're perfectly happy to move it around. Consider this statement from the CEO of ATSG, who is also the CEO of ABX, during the 4th quarter earnings conference call in early 2017: "ATI, whose pilots are represented by ALPA, and did not support the strike, will crew all of the remaining aircraft we deploy for Amazon." ABX was to have operated ten of twenty aircraft originally contracted with Amazon. ABX had six at the time of the strike, and that's still all they have. The CEO has said more recently that of the twenty additional aircraft in the most recent Amazon contract, the ten this year will be going to ATI, and that there will be no growth at ABX until he gets the contract HE wants.

Nobody in management cares that there is no growth at ABX. ATSG earnings are increasing, and that's all they care about. Any of the three ATSG airlines could go away tomorrow and nobody would care because the revenue would move to the other two. That's the game they play.

tonsterboy5

I get that now they are owned by the same company so crossing the line to move freight still puts money in the pockets of the same people. But at the time they were separate

Reactivity

They were not. ATI was acquired by ABX as part of the purchase of CHI in 2007 (if memory serves). It was shortly after that time that ABX was reorganized as ATSG, and ABX became a subsidiary alongside ATI. The strike occurred in November of 2016, nearly nine years later.