Life From a Relatively New Hire at ATI
05-10-2018, 10:02 PM
#11
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I'm sorry I think I might be wrong. I got to thinking this might not be a bad move for some pilots to think about going to ati. I mean the majority of FOs that I talked too said they voted yes to take a small pay increase so they could be higher paid while they wait to get out!
The growth has stopped there are no more amazon planes announced to be coming, the 321s are 2 years away, amazon publicly stated it will be 5-7 years before the cvg hub is done.
So in the mean time there will be many fos at ATI leaving, it's a great opportunity for new fos to come in a gain seniority quickly to choose a different 16 day on schedule!
The growth has stopped there are no more amazon planes announced to be coming, the 321s are 2 years away, amazon publicly stated it will be 5-7 years before the cvg hub is done.
So in the mean time there will be many fos at ATI leaving, it's a great opportunity for new fos to come in a gain seniority quickly to choose a different 16 day on schedule!
05-11-2018, 04:44 AM
#12
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Position: 767/757 F/O
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The point of my post is not to reinvigorate the ATI vs ABX debate that goes on daily on APC. It was merely to provide an insider’s perspective for anyone contemplating working here. It is to start with an answer instead of a question; which I have seen posted on other threads re: ATI.
There are better companies to work for, if measured by contracts, and there are much worse places to work for, by any measure.
I am not here to waste everyone’s time arguing the finer points of the raw deal ABX (or any other carrier) pilots live under. You guys do a fantastic job of that every day. Don’t like your conditions? Change them. Quit the job you hate and get a better one.
BTW contrary to some responses, I have always been and am now a line pilot. I have never worked a single day in any airline’s office. I have volunteered and worked for an ALPA committee for several years. I’m in the CVG sort every day that they send me, with you too. There have been numerous ABX pilots in the jumpseats of planes I have flown and I have enjoyed their company.
Have a nice day.
There are better companies to work for, if measured by contracts, and there are much worse places to work for, by any measure.
I am not here to waste everyone’s time arguing the finer points of the raw deal ABX (or any other carrier) pilots live under. You guys do a fantastic job of that every day. Don’t like your conditions? Change them. Quit the job you hate and get a better one.
BTW contrary to some responses, I have always been and am now a line pilot. I have never worked a single day in any airline’s office. I have volunteered and worked for an ALPA committee for several years. I’m in the CVG sort every day that they send me, with you too. There have been numerous ABX pilots in the jumpseats of planes I have flown and I have enjoyed their company.
Have a nice day.
05-11-2018, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Whale Driver
Then why do you only have 3 post - all on this thread only?
Like most flying pilots I have neither the time nor the desire to be a constant poster on APC. I wonder if some of you ever fly at all. Most of the posters on APC (especially under cargo) are always the same ones. The subjects of the posts from these same people are largely the same, that is; who hates ATI the most?
I need to get back to my yard.
05-11-2018, 09:36 AM
#17
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Despartion on ATI management. .alpa should be telling management no help on new hires just pay the pilots properly and pilots will flow in.
They are making the same mistake the regionals made at first
.Pilots bending over trying to recruit because they think it help should them grow when if they just sit back and let it fail they all get paid.
Even the regionals were smart enough to see the leverage. I'm sure alpa at ATI will bend over after the useless attempts on here to attract pilots and give in to mgt and raise new hire pay with nothing financial for the rest if the pilots. If that happens the should recall all the reps or send alpa packing.
They are making the same mistake the regionals made at first
.Pilots bending over trying to recruit because they think it help should them grow when if they just sit back and let it fail they all get paid.
Even the regionals were smart enough to see the leverage. I'm sure alpa at ATI will bend over after the useless attempts on here to attract pilots and give in to mgt and raise new hire pay with nothing financial for the rest if the pilots. If that happens the should recall all the reps or send alpa packing.
05-13-2018, 08:49 AM
#18
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22yrs at the regionals, that gives it away to about 3 peeps. All are good good pilots and great guys.
I had the same feeling 6mo in. My group was knowingly lied too. Management here goes by the Mesa Model. I agree with him its a good place to get some time and hopefully move on as most are trying. Our negotiators said “this isnt purple or brown but they are hiring”. Crews here took the advice as I see it. The biggest problem is the reputation of this company preceding your interview.
I had the same feeling 6mo in. My group was knowingly lied too. Management here goes by the Mesa Model. I agree with him its a good place to get some time and hopefully move on as most are trying. Our negotiators said “this isnt purple or brown but they are hiring”. Crews here took the advice as I see it. The biggest problem is the reputation of this company preceding your interview.
05-17-2018, 01:40 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
I'm sure alpa at ATI will bend over after the useless attempts on here to attract pilots and give in to mgt and raise new hire pay with nothing financial for the rest if the pilots.
05-19-2018, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by nightsky2
There’s a lot of trash talk on APC about ATI. I can’t speak for anyone else but myself so here goes; Contract at ATI for an ACMI carrier is good but not great. Much better than it was and certainly not Purple or Brown. We are not Purple or Brown so I don’t expect their contract.
The flying, like anywhere, can be easy or challenging depending on the airport, geography, geo-political climate (we go to some weird places on the planet) and weather. Some of the trips are one and done with 20+ hour layovers. Plenty of time for a good meal, some brews, take in a museum, movie or whatever. Great bunch of very professional pilots to fly with.
Do you want to fly passengers? Bid the combis once you can hold them.
I held a line the first bid period that I was eligible (post IOE / line check). New contract has resulted in slightly better take-home, net pay for first year F/O's. Captains and 2nd year and above F/O’s have seen substantial increases. Most of the time there is plenty of extra flying if you want it. Contract gives us +4 hours above guarantee for every day of extra or JA flying.
As has been mentioned in some threads all employees, not just pilots, enjoy a good relationship with management from what I can see. There are always outliers who will never be happy. I can’t fix that.
Can’t beat positive space travel and home basing. Because we are home based, we don’t pay imputed taxes on our positive spaced trips to/from work. I typically take an Uber to my local airport (6 miles driving or about 4 as the crow flies) and pay no parking fees and never sweat it if I don’t make it in either direction. Get to keep the travel points too.
Training pay is base pay from day one + per diem. Training is professional with no games. You know what to do. Like anything else, you get out of it what you put in.
Don’t want to fly at night? Find a day job. I can attest that I have heard every major airline and most regionals at every hour of the clock. If all you ever wanted to do was fly, and hang out with some great folks this is the place. Again, it’s not purple or brown or D, U, A, or SWA. If they hire you, fantastic! Go enjoy your life. If you’re young or old and want to fly heavy jets ATI is great. Want to use it as a stepping stone? Great! I can tell you that I know pilots who have left here who have a way bigger paycheck than me but hate every minute at their job.
I’ve only been here for 6 months but I have flown passengers for 24 years and was a commuter for 22 of those so my family could have a hometown with a little stability. So I guess that makes me an old guy. I still love flying and once again love my job.
The way I see it, this is the one of the best kept secrets in the industry.
The flying, like anywhere, can be easy or challenging depending on the airport, geography, geo-political climate (we go to some weird places on the planet) and weather. Some of the trips are one and done with 20+ hour layovers. Plenty of time for a good meal, some brews, take in a museum, movie or whatever. Great bunch of very professional pilots to fly with.
Do you want to fly passengers? Bid the combis once you can hold them.
I held a line the first bid period that I was eligible (post IOE / line check). New contract has resulted in slightly better take-home, net pay for first year F/O's. Captains and 2nd year and above F/O’s have seen substantial increases. Most of the time there is plenty of extra flying if you want it. Contract gives us +4 hours above guarantee for every day of extra or JA flying.
As has been mentioned in some threads all employees, not just pilots, enjoy a good relationship with management from what I can see. There are always outliers who will never be happy. I can’t fix that.
Can’t beat positive space travel and home basing. Because we are home based, we don’t pay imputed taxes on our positive spaced trips to/from work. I typically take an Uber to my local airport (6 miles driving or about 4 as the crow flies) and pay no parking fees and never sweat it if I don’t make it in either direction. Get to keep the travel points too.
Training pay is base pay from day one + per diem. Training is professional with no games. You know what to do. Like anything else, you get out of it what you put in.
Don’t want to fly at night? Find a day job. I can attest that I have heard every major airline and most regionals at every hour of the clock. If all you ever wanted to do was fly, and hang out with some great folks this is the place. Again, it’s not purple or brown or D, U, A, or SWA. If they hire you, fantastic! Go enjoy your life. If you’re young or old and want to fly heavy jets ATI is great. Want to use it as a stepping stone? Great! I can tell you that I know pilots who have left here who have a way bigger paycheck than me but hate every minute at their job.
I’ve only been here for 6 months but I have flown passengers for 24 years and was a commuter for 22 of those so my family could have a hometown with a little stability. So I guess that makes me an old guy. I still love flying and once again love my job.
The way I see it, this is the one of the best kept secrets in the industry.
Last edited by MentalMidget; 05-19-2018 at 05:22 AM.
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