Originally Posted by dynap09

Someone 4 years into ATI - likely now a captain with four year seniority.

ABX pilot hired 4 years ago - pay around $121/hr

ATI pilot hired 4 years ago - pay around $197/hr

So we're clear - that's about 63% over ABX - which also flies 767's. That's an insane difference - in the ATI pilots favor.

I'll skip the QOL / work environment items (I know ABX pilots hate the home basing stuff and consider that a waste etc etc).

I think some misinformation that open time flying is not paid.

ATI definitely more willing to deal with mgmt. I think ABX was approached over rates for 777 flying and turned that down, ATSG got OMNI in part for 777 rates and highlighted the possibilities that brings - longer flying / DHL stuff? ABX approached with basically ATI deal and turned it down. ATI said yes. I think initially management thought they'd be investing a lot more into ABX side, and so really always approached them first, but I think those days are long gone now.

Will be interesting to track career progression of folks joining ABX and ATI going forward. Might not be so bad ATI side - some are already earning 63% more than same DOH ABX pilots it looks flying the same equipment. Don't ATI folks get raises soon too?

Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

Never bid on 777s.. ( like 50$ a week pay raise for 12 captains vs ABX).

Originally Posted by dynap09

I stand corrected on 777 flying and discussion with ABX union on that, I thought there had been some interest company side for that.

The most junior captain at ABX has a DOH something like 15 - 20 years ago?


That's the point I'm making. Your career is much better if the airline you fly with is experiencing either growth or retirements even if you don't have highest rates. Compared to ABX, ATI has higher rates (yes, even 12 year captains) and you get to those rates much more quickly.

Someone at ABX with 12 years is probably making around $155 as an FO vs $240 for ATI as a capt per hour for same seniority. Multiply that by XX years, then add in some potential benefits getting on at another co from PIC time..? Do you not see the difference here, the ati career is better - significantly.

Anyways, interesting rumor on the planes. That's what ATSG is missing, I think they expected more growth / placement and are not getting what they thought they would.

Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

Unfortunately the rest of your contract sucks so bad a few bucks does not make up for the rest of it.

Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

Unfortunately the rest of your contract sucks so bad a few bucks does not make up for the rest of it.
Contracts are negotiated for the whole pilot list not just the new hires...no big deal until your colon falls out while climbing the stairs and you are stuck pushing it back in with a toothbrush on a layover instead of 14k a month on disability...

Originally Posted by nightsky2

News release by ATSG this morning. ATI is getting 2 additional planes in Q4.

Originally Posted by gumpscheck

That’s a pretty graphic description of a colon malfunction. LOL!! It sounds painful. And the toothbrush treatment; that’s gotta hurt. I was eating when I read it. I almost choked.