Only antagonists ask this question and it appears every time a pilot posts a negative comment about their airline. There is no other reason for asking the question other than to troll for an argument. It is unprofessional and unproductive.

To build on the previous post about why a pilot would decide to stay, there are a lot of reasons that a pilot would not want to leave their company yet would continue to "complain" about their situation (not to mention the fact that many who post negative comments about their company are TRYING to leave but have not yet been able to leave). A sample of these reasons might include: Age, medical, legal, seniority, geographic, family, education, loyalty, financial, professional, emotional, physical, or personal.

There is also the fact that most people who post negative things about their airline (which is a REALLY BIG NUMBER!) want to stay at their airline and fight for improved working conditions. This is why many airline pilots work under good, lucrative contracts these days. They have stayed and fought for better situation rather than running away when things get hard.

Only cowards ask the questions "why are you still at ... " or "why don't you just leave ... ". It's not really a legitimate question about working conditions or opinions about the future of a particular airline. It is a question asked to antagonize and delegitimize someone who posts a critical statement and it is posted by people who only wish to degrade intelligent discussions on APC.

 

The seniority issue is a meaningful piece of this. I think some folks just don't feel like starting as a year 1 FO / doing reserve etc.

It's kind of mind blowing that ATI has upgrades in 3-4 years to CA (?) and ABX might have someone as FO for 20+ years?

 

A surprise strike that trapped customer cargo and generated headlines didn't impact DHL / Amazon thinking? Trap their stuff - they just aren't going to do business again - economics doesn't matter. I know the ABX pilots trash management, trash ATI etc etc, but it's a pilot group that doesn't seem at all self reflective.

 

Don’t talk without knowing the details. The ABX 1224 EXCO forewarned the ATSG upper management about the impending manning problems coming in the fourth quarter of 2016. The ATSG management replied by applying even more contractual violations and ignoring the manning problems forecasted. This after the ABX 1224 EXCO bailing out ATSG and ABX during the fourth quarter of 2015 due to the same manning reasons. The General Membership told the EXCO we are not doing it again and then be treated like dog poop. Plus late in the summer of 2016 the ABX EXCO presented a compromise proposal to the ATSG upper management to guarantee the even distribution of the ATSG’s airplanes between ABX & ATI. ATSG’s reply was that there are no guarantees in life. The ABX EXCO was protecting you guys at ATI. What did we get in return? Multiple stabs in the back.

Just so you know, the Amazon contract is between ATSG and Amazon. Amazon could care less how the flying is distributed internally in ATSG. The only reason you guys are getting all of those Amazon painted ATSG airplanes is due to the ABX’s Scope Clause and the lack of a Scope Clause at ATI. So don’t get any illusions that you guys are the chosen ones.

Don’t forget we have known JH longer than you guys. We are very experienced in his ways.

 

You actually act as if anyone gives a rats a$$ about what you think. I see guys crying about the working conditions and I seriously wonder why they still work there....do something else....anything else if you are miserable.

 

Try around 2 years or less.

 

ATI has under 2 year upgrdes.. and year 20 f/o s are still doing reserve at abx .. lol

 

2 years doesn't make sense to me. Who is filling FO slots then with upgrades that quick? Or is this some terrible line that goes super junior?

 

While 2yrs made it in the past upgrade is a little longer now. Still one of the best airlines in the industry. Someday maybe surpass the majors and equal Brown or Purple.

 

Haha....someday maybe surpass the majors and equal Brown or Purple....your killing me! Have you peed in a cup lately? LMAO