ABX Upgrade Times
08-10-2018, 08:07 PM
#51
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Well I am at Omni and K4 is equal to what we have I have a friend that's an FO at ATI and I have that bit of inside info. you are the one that stated you are using publicly released info. and based on that alone you are behind. based on what I know of my contract you are WAY behind!
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08-10-2018, 08:24 PM
#52
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Position: B-757/767 Left Right Left, aww, who can keep up...
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Originally Posted by t207
Well I am at Omni and K4 is equal to what we have I have a friend that's an FO at ATI and I have that bit of inside info. you are the one that stated you are using publicly released info. and based on that alone you are behind. based on what I know of my contract you are WAY behind!
good day
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So, in other words, you don't have a clue. Or, you have a mis- or uninformed clue. Which is probably worse. Please put your ATI FO friend in touch with any of his reps for some clarification. Believe me.
08-10-2018, 08:59 PM
#54
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You know what I am not going to *****foot around about it! The pilots at our sister airline ATI that crossed our picket line are scabs and should be treated as such along with JV and MW. The ATI pilots that didn’t cross our line and walked with us I applaude. Pretty much as simple as that.
08-11-2018, 07:11 PM
#55
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Originally Posted by Kougarok
You know what I am not going to *****foot around about it! The pilots at our sister airline ATI that crossed our picket line are scabs and should be treated as such along with JV and MW.
Regarding this so called "strike", funny how there's no photographs of this so called picket line, none of these "scabs" are listed on the scab list and there's no names of the pilots who supposidly "crossed" your picket line. Remember ABX and ATI are separate airlines, backed up by a decision from the NMB.
Half of the pilots who were not on duty that day didn't even know about all this drama until a day or two later. It almost seems like you guys intentionally kept your "strike" a secret from every other CVG pilot in hopes of other pilots continuing to fly their trips because they didn't have knowledge of this "strike". Usual strike protocol was not followed, there was no cooling off period etc. How difficult would it have been for your Exco to email the ATI pilot group to inform us of what was about to happen.
Besides, ABX has no freight of their own, it's all DHL/Amazon--separate companies. ABX operates their own seperate routes from anyone else. ATI did not fly freight on dedicated routes that was normally flown by ABX. ATI didn't fly struck work, ATI didn't take any pilot jobs from ABX, no ATI pilots were hired to replace striking ABX pilots, every ATI pilot is a union member (not even Teamsters)
Here's your logic. If United Airlines strikes, all the other 6 passenger airlines operating LAX-DFW will have to strike too, otherwise they would all be scabs because they're flying displaced United passengers. Struck work. That includes American, Spirit, Compass, Delta, Skywest.
08-11-2018, 08:23 PM
#56
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Occhams Razor, how much money can the average first year FO at ATI gross? At K4, with little to no O/T, just doing the normal schedule, a first year FO can expect to gross around 130k. With a good amount of OT, 150k+.
I've been told at WGA they can expect around 96k.
I think this metric cuts through the bullcrap and gets to to meat of the subject.
I've been told at WGA they can expect around 96k.
I think this metric cuts through the bullcrap and gets to to meat of the subject.
08-11-2018, 11:11 PM
#57
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
Occhams Razor, how much money can the average first year FO at ATI gross? At K4, with little to no O/T, just doing the normal schedule, a first year FO can expect to gross around 130k. With a good amount of OT, 150k+.
I've been told at WGA they can expect around 96k.
I think this metric cuts through the bullcrap and gets to to meat of the subject.
I've been told at WGA they can expect around 96k.
I think this metric cuts through the bullcrap and gets to to meat of the subject.
130k first year? I am very curious. Can you please explain how they get paid that much. First year is $107 hr with 64 hour guarantee (= $6,848). Then maybe an extra $700 for per diem (700+6848 = 7548 per month). That is only for 10 months. first two months is training pay (600 per week. $2400). So:
2 training months $2400 x 2 = $4800
10 flying months $ 7548 x 10 = $75480
First year estimated is $80,280.
My calculations are $50k off from yours. Obviously there is something I am missing. Can you please explain?
08-12-2018, 05:21 AM
#58
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Originally Posted by Wayst
130k first year? I am very curious. Can you please explain how they get paid that much. First year is $107 hr with 64 hour guarantee (= $6,848). Then maybe an extra $700 for per diem (700+6848 = 7548 per month). That is only for 10 months. first two months is training pay (600 per week. $2400). So:
2 training months $2400 x 2 = $4800
10 flying months $ 7548 x 10 = $75480
First year estimated is $80,280.
My calculations are $50k off from yours. Obviously there is something I am missing. Can you please explain?
2 training months $2400 x 2 = $4800
10 flying months $ 7548 x 10 = $75480
First year estimated is $80,280.
My calculations are $50k off from yours. Obviously there is something I am missing. Can you please explain?
there are some hungry FO's out there
first off your perdiem is off - closer to 1300 per month
if the guy works a bunch of OT more like 1600+
and no one gets just 64 hrs - just flying regular 16 days average Joe can expect 85-100 hrs - if your really hungry for pay, I've seen guys do 170 pay hrs in a month
I'll give you a for instance - they had a trip going today CVG-ANC-ORD. Double crew flying time 13.5 - pay for the trip would be 28.2
and you would be gone from home less than 48 hrs
that's how it done
08-12-2018, 05:27 AM
#59
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Originally Posted by 727CA
Careful.. you do know ATI just negotiated your next contract. If and when (hopefully not at all) ATI and ABX become one airline, whats left of the ABX pilot group will be raising gear for MiniV.
Regarding this so called "strike", funny how there's no photographs of this so called picket line, none of these "scabs" are listed on the scab list and there's no names of the pilots who supposidly "crossed" your picket line. Remember ABX and ATI are separate airlines, backed up by a decision from the NMB.
Half of the pilots who were not on duty that day didn't even know about all this drama until a day or two later. It almost seems like you guys intentionally kept your "strike" a secret from every other CVG pilot in hopes of other pilots continuing to fly their trips because they didn't have knowledge of this "strike". Usual strike protocol was not followed, there was no cooling off period etc. How difficult would it have been for your Exco to email the ATI pilot group to inform us of what was about to happen.
Besides, ABX has no freight of their own, it's all DHL/Amazon--separate companies. ABX operates their own seperate routes from anyone else. ATI did not fly freight on dedicated routes that was normally flown by ABX. ATI didn't fly struck work, ATI didn't take any pilot jobs from ABX, no ATI pilots were hired to replace striking ABX pilots, every ATI pilot is a union member (not even Teamsters)
Here's your logic. If United Airlines strikes, all the other 6 passenger airlines operating LAX-DFW will have to strike too, otherwise they would all be scabs because they're flying displaced United passengers. Struck work. That includes American, Spirit, Compass, Delta, Skywest.
Regarding this so called "strike", funny how there's no photographs of this so called picket line, none of these "scabs" are listed on the scab list and there's no names of the pilots who supposidly "crossed" your picket line. Remember ABX and ATI are separate airlines, backed up by a decision from the NMB.
Half of the pilots who were not on duty that day didn't even know about all this drama until a day or two later. It almost seems like you guys intentionally kept your "strike" a secret from every other CVG pilot in hopes of other pilots continuing to fly their trips because they didn't have knowledge of this "strike". Usual strike protocol was not followed, there was no cooling off period etc. How difficult would it have been for your Exco to email the ATI pilot group to inform us of what was about to happen.
Besides, ABX has no freight of their own, it's all DHL/Amazon--separate companies. ABX operates their own seperate routes from anyone else. ATI did not fly freight on dedicated routes that was normally flown by ABX. ATI didn't fly struck work, ATI didn't take any pilot jobs from ABX, no ATI pilots were hired to replace striking ABX pilots, every ATI pilot is a union member (not even Teamsters)
Here's your logic. If United Airlines strikes, all the other 6 passenger airlines operating LAX-DFW will have to strike too, otherwise they would all be scabs because they're flying displaced United passengers. Struck work. That includes American, Spirit, Compass, Delta, Skywest.
08-12-2018, 05:28 AM
#60
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Originally Posted by 727CA
Careful.. you do know ATI just negotiated your next contract. If and when (hopefully not at all) ATI and ABX become one airline, whats left of the ABX pilot group will be raising gear for MiniV.
Regarding this so called "strike", funny how there's no photographs of this so called picket line, none of these "scabs" are listed on the scab list and there's no names of the pilots who supposidly "crossed" your picket line. Remember ABX and ATI are separate airlines, backed up by a decision from the NMB.
Half of the pilots who were not on duty that day didn't even know about all this drama until a day or two later. It almost seems like you guys intentionally kept your "strike" a secret from every other CVG pilot in hopes of other pilots continuing to fly their trips because they didn't have knowledge of this "strike". Usual strike protocol was not followed, there was no cooling off period etc. How difficult would it have been for your Exco to email the ATI pilot group to inform us of what was about to happen.
Besides, ABX has no freight of their own, it's all DHL/Amazon--separate companies. ABX operates their own seperate routes from anyone else. ATI did not fly freight on dedicated routes that was normally flown by ABX. ATI didn't fly struck work, ATI didn't take any pilot jobs from ABX, no ATI pilots were hired to replace striking ABX pilots, every ATI pilot is a union member (not even Teamsters)
Here's your logic. If United Airlines strikes, all the other 6 passenger airlines operating LAX-DFW will have to strike too, otherwise they would all be scabs because they're flying displaced United passengers. Struck work. That includes American, Spirit, Compass, Delta, Skywest.
Regarding this so called "strike", funny how there's no photographs of this so called picket line, none of these "scabs" are listed on the scab list and there's no names of the pilots who supposidly "crossed" your picket line. Remember ABX and ATI are separate airlines, backed up by a decision from the NMB.
Half of the pilots who were not on duty that day didn't even know about all this drama until a day or two later. It almost seems like you guys intentionally kept your "strike" a secret from every other CVG pilot in hopes of other pilots continuing to fly their trips because they didn't have knowledge of this "strike". Usual strike protocol was not followed, there was no cooling off period etc. How difficult would it have been for your Exco to email the ATI pilot group to inform us of what was about to happen.
Besides, ABX has no freight of their own, it's all DHL/Amazon--separate companies. ABX operates their own seperate routes from anyone else. ATI did not fly freight on dedicated routes that was normally flown by ABX. ATI didn't fly struck work, ATI didn't take any pilot jobs from ABX, no ATI pilots were hired to replace striking ABX pilots, every ATI pilot is a union member (not even Teamsters)
Here's your logic. If United Airlines strikes, all the other 6 passenger airlines operating LAX-DFW will have to strike too, otherwise they would all be scabs because they're flying displaced United passengers. Struck work. That includes American, Spirit, Compass, Delta, Skywest.
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