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USMCFDX 10-13-2018 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by gumpscheck (Post 2690688)
Be more specific. Otherwise I would have to disregard you as a management/Ford&Harrison troll.

Well I said the same thing in the very first post. Why do you want us to do your work for you? There are errors.

Industry Strnd 10-14-2018 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFDX (Post 2690700)
Well I said the same thing in the very first post. Why do you want us to do your work for you? There are errors.

That's weird I see the contracts there can anyone point to a specific contract section? Hard to believe thre are errors when not one person has pointed to a specfic contract reference error. I look thru some of the contracts compaired to the chart and can't find any errors. Hard to say there are errors in the contracts!

Industry Strnd 10-14-2018 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by gumpscheck (Post 2690688)
Be more specific. Otherwise I would have to disregard you as a management/Ford&Harrison troll.

Now the Atlas study is up compaired to the majors. I'm sure someone will want to dispute the Delta or United rules. Management trying to place
doubt in the facts.
Hard to argue with the ACMI when the contracts are right there. And they are void of common work rules that even regionals have. Can't wait to see seniority lists at acmi get decimated in the next 2-3 years cause the management is too naive and greedy to pay pilots like everyone else is doing!

brn2fly1 10-14-2018 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by Industry Strnd (Post 2691385)
That's weird I see the contracts there can anyone point to a specific contract section? Hard to believe thre are errors when not one person has pointed to a specfic contract reference error. I look thru some of the contracts compaired to the chart and can't find any errors. Hard to say there are errors in the contracts!

I’m not doing you work for you! If you can’t pay attention to details that’s your problem. There are at least three errors just between FedEx and UPS. Lord knows how many other errors you have on the chart!

brn2fly1 10-14-2018 11:58 PM


Originally Posted by Industry Strnd (Post 2691388)
Now the Atlas study is up compaired to the majors. I'm sure someone will want to dispute the Delta or United rules. Management trying to place
doubt in the facts.
Hard to argue with the ACMI when the contracts are right there. And they are void of common work rules that even regionals have. Can't wait to see seniority lists at acmi get decimated in the next 2-3 years cause the management is too naive and greedy to pay pilots like everyone else is doing!

It’s funny how the Atlas Study guide doesn’t list one other ACMI carrier in their comparison (Southern doesn’t count). It too has multiple errors in it. You guys really need to do a better job when doing your research. Also the article that was pinned to the website about bonus paid to FedEx pilots is incorrect. Those are not bonus. They are part of the sick leave you get paid when you retire.

HercDriver130 10-15-2018 03:02 AM


Originally Posted by brn2fly1 (Post 2691434)
It’s funny how the Atlas Study guide doesn’t list one other ACMI carrier in their comparison (Southern doesn’t count). It too has multiple errors in it. You guys really need to do a better job when doing your research. Also the article that was pinned to the website about bonus paid to FedEx pilots is incorrect. Those are not bonus. They are part of the sick leave you get paid when you retire.

EXACTLY they seem to think their Peers where purple and brown or fly Delta or United jets....get a grip.

BoilerUP 10-15-2018 03:39 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 2686317)
Some of the chart’s UPS data is transposed with FDX, perdiem and guarantee and such.

Sometimes I requote myself from Post #10 in this thread...

JonnyKnoxville 10-15-2018 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 2691441)
EXACTLY they seem to think their Peers where purple and brown or fly Delta or United jets....get a grip.

The truck driver mentality is exactly why most of the Atlas guys were thinking good riddance when you left our union. If you somehow do not see or believe that ATSG, Atlas/Southern, and Kalitta are not in direct competition with UPS and FedEx, then I think we should all be telling you to get a grip.

Whether you realize it or not, Amazon and DHL are using our airlines to go after UPS and FedEx similar to how Southwest went after domestic market share of American, Delta, and United throughout the 1980s and 1990s. If you still don't believe it, I have a sort facility being built in CVG bigger than FedEx in MEM and UPS in SDF combined to sell you.

The ABX and Atlas/Southern pilots do not find it acceptable to allow management to exploit our cheap labor in order to take away high-paying quality jobs at FedEx and UPS. We will continue to fight for industry standard, not just truck driver standard.

JonnyKnoxville 10-15-2018 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by brn2fly1 (Post 2691434)
It’s funny how the Atlas Study guide doesn’t list one other ACMI carrier in their comparison (Southern doesn’t count). It too has multiple errors in it. You guys really need to do a better job when doing your research. Also the article that was pinned to the website about bonus paid to FedEx pilots is incorrect. Those are not bonus. They are part of the sick leave you get paid when you retire.

All of the data for the Atlas Contract Comparison was verified with your union. Since you have already stated that you have no interest in helping correct any errors you see, it looks like you will have to take it up with ALPA.

brn2fly1 10-15-2018 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville (Post 2691460)
All of the data for the Atlas Contract Comparison was verified with your union. Since you have already stated that you have no interest in helping correct any errors you see, it looks like you will have to take it up with ALPA.

Wow, 1224 knows everything! Actually they are the worst union I’ve belonged too. You have no clue how far your contract comparison is off.


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