Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
(Post 2692300)
Not an error. $286 is the final rate of the cba, not the rate right now! Go to the cba and use the rate now and you will see the chart is correct.
not a problem if thats what you mean to portray - to me it's more meaningful to show all the groups numbers with the best that their current cba's have to offer - just the way I feel - you can make argument either way however you do use the language below for salary computations Maximum Longevity CA and FO Base Annual Salary and very similar language for max pay Max Captain Hourly Rate in CBA again if thats what you want fine its your deal and I get that there is limited space - but it could be a little clearer these are just constructive criticisms please take it that way |
Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
(Post 2692309)
So I just crossed checked UPS CBA the rigs list in the cba are what is depicted in the chart, the Perdiem listed in Article 12 is correct in the chart. And the guarantee is corrected in the chart for 12 bid periods. Apears the only mistake is the International override. Which appears to be Fedex.
After mutiple checks the ACMI rates are correct and way short of where they should be. And the retirement it's short too $ 75 x 13 = 975 975/12 = 81.25 Not sure about the rest but on that glaring point Boiler is correct... as usual. |
Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
(Post 2692309)
So I just crossed checked UPS CBA the rigs list in the cba are what is depicted in the chart, the Perdiem listed in Article 12 is correct in the chart. And the guarantee is corrected in the chart for 12 bid periods. Apears the only mistake is the International override.
For Perdiem, you are stopping at the 12.G.(2) charts, without regard for the 12.G.(4) adjustments. Can't necessarily fault you for that as you aren't a UPS pilot, but 2017 rates are on the APC profile for UPS and here are the 2018 rates: Domestic: $2.60 Europe: $3.45 PacRim: $3.65 International: $3.35 BrownDoubles has addressed the guarantee discrepancy (12.D.1). |
Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
(Post 2692151)
https://cargofacts.com/atsg-adds-777-platform-through-omni-air-acquisition/
Appears onmi will be a cargo co! Also hard to say the contracts are wrong. So far don't see any contract paragraphs cited that are wrong. I wonder why? And I wonder why people seem to be so angry over data that is being put out to help pilots decide the best place to work and maybe pressure their union to raise the bar. Must be management worried pilots might actually work together! Defensive much? For someone who seeks corrections you keep belittling those who identify the problems, name calling, and making accusations. |
Why was this thread even made a sticky?
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Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
(Post 2692151)
Must be management worried pilots might actually work together!
Find a better argument. |
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To the OP:
I think we all want to use your chart. You've put together lots of data and done a good job organizing it into a readable and usable product. What I don't understand is your reluctance (and petulance) to adjust incorrect figures. The facts you're asking for are found on this website - look at the airline profiles. Your responsibility as the creator is to become an expert in knowing where to find the data for each space on the chart. In fact, when I've made similar charts I would note in each chart space where I found the source data. Makes it easy to verify when questions present themselves. I suspect some of your errors are in transposing the data from your collection spot to the chart. Proofread then publish. Last - Please take criticism in the way it was meant, just to help you get it right. Why would managers want to confuse people on guarantee and pay? It's simply looked up on APC and in each contract. It's easier to obscure the finer points. Respect |
Originally Posted by boxguy
(Post 2693532)
To the OP:
I think we all want to use your chart. You've put together lots of data and done a good job organizing it into a readable and usable product. What I don't understand is your reluctance (and petulance) to adjust incorrect figures. The facts you're asking for are found on this website - look at the airline profiles. Your responsibility as the creator is to become an expert in knowing where to find the data for each space on the chart. In fact, when I've made similar charts I would note in each chart space where I found the source data. Makes it easy to verify when questions present themselves. I suspect some of your errors are in transposing the data from your collection spot to the chart. Proofread then publish. Last - Please take criticism in the way it was meant, just to help you get it right. Why would managers want to confuse people on guarantee and pay? It's simply looked up on APC and in each contract. It's easier to obscure the finer points. Respect |
Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
(Post 2692300)
Not an error. $286 is the final rate of the cba, not the rate right now! Go to the cba and use the rate now and you will see the chart is correct.
General - 64 Hrs Special Programs - 80 Hrs 1/3rd of the fleet is dedicated to special programs. New Hires are able to bid and get it, so it isn't a senior guys only thing. If you want to fly a lot bid the program. If you want to get paid for 64 while flying 25-40 bid general. If you want to do scheduled airline style flying, bid Vegas. Lots and lots of soft money hidden everywhere that raises guarantee also without actually flying anything extra. |
Originally Posted by boxguy
(Post 2693532)
To the OP:
I think we all want to use your chart. You've put together lots of data and done a good job organizing it into a readable and usable product. What I don't understand is your reluctance (and petulance) to adjust incorrect figures. The facts you're asking for are found on this website - look at the airline profiles. Your responsibility as the creator is to become an expert in knowing where to find the data for each space on the chart. In fact, when I've made similar charts I would note in each chart space where I found the source data. Makes it easy to verify when questions present themselves. I suspect some of your errors are in transposing the data from your collection spot to the chart. Proofread then publish. Last - Please take criticism in the way it was meant, just to help you get it right. Why would managers want to confuse people on guarantee and pay? It's simply looked up on APC and in each contract. It's easier to obscure the finer points. Respect |
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