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Originally Posted by Groundpointfife
(Post 2792763)
ATI?
Name me one ACMI carrier that has an industry standard contract- I mean comparable to the big 3, FedEx etc. Even when you throw in gateway/home basing its still not enough compensation to be equal. Personally I'd say anything below that is concessionary. |
Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
(Post 2792687)
Who do you expect to take the concessions?
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Originally Posted by 4runner
(Post 2792681)
It’s almost like a regional whipsaw circa till a few years ago.
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Originally Posted by Groundpointfife
(Post 2792763)
ATI?
Name me one ACMI carrier that has an industry standard contract- I mean comparable to the big 3, FedEx etc. Even when you throw in gateway/home basing its still not enough compensation to be equal. Personally I'd say anything below that is concessionary. And name one of those big 3 that will also support that poor little ACMI with a symphony strike. Kings, Lords, Commoners, and Peasants we are. Lord HeavyDriver |
Originally Posted by 4runner
(Post 2792802)
No one. I’m saying that this shenanigans is exactly like RJ flying.
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Originally Posted by HeavyDriver
(Post 2792830)
Name one ACMI carrier that has the seniority numbers to leverage a company for those great big 3 contracts?
And name one of those big 3 that will also support that poor little ACMI with asymphony strike. Kings, Lords, Commoners, and Peasants we are. Lord HeavyDriver |
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Originally Posted by Birdsmash
(Post 2792533)
Plus, you will probably get to fly with street captains if you don’t meet the PIC requirements . The last upgrade went to a pilot with 5 1/2 months on property. 😱.
A street hire captain will make approximately $1600 x 3 months training pay and then $116.98 x 50 hour first year guarantee That’s a little over $57k in the first year (not including the little bit of perdiem you might be able to pocket). Thanks for the info I wouldn’t/won’t give it a second thought—and I’m typed in the 73. Tbnt |
Originally Posted by Groundpointfife
(Post 2792763)
ATI?
Name me one ACMI carrier that has an industry standard contract- I mean comparable to the big 3, FedEx etc. Even when you throw in gateway/home basing its still not enough compensation to be equal. Personally I'd say anything below that is concessionary. |
Originally Posted by filejw
(Post 2793006)
Your 100% right the trouble is when you don’t own your own content you lose lots of leverage. The company issuing the contract can just move said contract to someone else and will. Getting good leverage/ pressure on the DHL and Amazon types is the answer. The Delta FedEx contracts aren’t because the corporations are nice guys , if they could get away with paying pilots 50% less they would.
So what really drives it? |
Originally Posted by No Land 3
(Post 2793132)
The LCC's own their own content but don't have the contracts of the big three. Much more to it. Look at the costs to operate each flight, what percentage of it goes to the pilots? A tiny percent. I dare say that the LCC's could pay way more, and the big five could easily get away with paying much less.
So what really drives it? I'll tell you, its the PILOTS, it is not rocket science. As long as pilots vote to pass these dumb CBA's and accept a low sub standard wage, no benefits, lack of retirement, crappy work rules, the pilot group ALWAYS loses. Mean while management is banking nice bonus checks monthly on our efforts. Line pilots need to draw a hard line in the sand and stick together and don't budge, then and only then will ACMI carriers start to come into their own. In the mean time Amazon, DHL, ATSG, Atlas and other companies are laughing all the way to the bank........suckers |
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