Temp Bases
 

Just wondering as a new hire can you expect to get a temp base out of training or will you be doing turns out of Miami.
Are there any updates on the contract negotiations when will it be voted for , home basing etc.

new 767-300F
 

Maersk will receive three 767 all-cargo jets from Boeing's Everett, Washington, factory in 2022, and outsource their operation to Amerijet, said Maersk spokesman Povl Rasmussen. The freighters are expected to enter service this year between Asia and North America.

I got an email to interview and to pick dates for the following week. I replied saying that I would only be available at the end of the month and never heard back. Any advice or tips?

Run far away…..

You just learned everything you need to know about that company. Move on and be happy you learned it this way.

Wait. If they are growing rapidly, it is very likely they are behind the curve on the induction phase. It is possible that they may have just lost your email or the person handling yours has moved on.

If you like the company, be a little patient and send another email.

Thanks for the input, everyone! Genuine question, for those that say to avoid this place, would it be better to stick to a regional?

P.S. Your answer won’t influence my decision, BUT I am curious who would say to stay at regional vs. moving on to a place like Amerijet.

International heavy widebody experience is more valuable in my opinion. Think about it this way no one leaves amerijet for a regional. They leave for UPS or Legacy carriers.

Amerijet is hardly the only thing going in that part of the industry and they're all hiring like mad.

I would stay and push for ULCC, Atlas, ABX/ATI if the push is for immediate departure from a regional. The calls will come, be patient just a little bit….

Take what you read on these forums especially from former pilots who are bitter with a grain of salt. They have nothing better to do than to come onto the forums when they have no knowledge of the current situation or how things are improving. Try emailing again. They might be giving priority to prospects with better availability.

Can you elaborate on those improvements at AJT? Not just hopes and dreams but actual hard facts. And the fact that you where awarded 3 new 767s does not construe as “improvements”. Flying brand new airplanes for bottom feeder rates is hardly an improvement.

Depends on your end goal. Both can lead you to a good airline. However, regionals will market you way faster.
Places like atlas and ATI are more reputable if you want heavy time.

And if you want a better contract than ATI, take a look at ABX.

Wait a few months and see the rates and details of the new contract for yourself. I can't publish details that I've been told in confidence.

Same. Plus other improvements that have been in motion since the beginning of the year. Our rates will blow ABX rates out of the water. And current upgrade time is 6 months if you have the required time.

Making claims like that, you'd think I could find some news on a tentative agreement. But the only links I can find to such a thing are from 2016.

ABX rates are 2 years old already and they match ATI's (overall) which are several years old. I would hope/pray that you blow us all out of the water. Good for Amerijet, just make sure the CBA backs up your claims (otherwise you would be just another crappy APC poster). Lastly, please don't come back with something less than the rest and blame it on "it's our 1st contract,...blah, blah, blah".

The pay rates tables have already been making rounds around texts and WhatsApp. Trust me, not setting the bar high at all. Barely keeps up with abx. Not to mention the company walked out of negotiations. A pay increase is all they got. Work rules and QOL was not renegotiated, 401k not renegotiated, no health care, etc etc.
But of course money talks, and this raise will pass and put amerijet on the lower middle of the scales for a year or two. After that everyone will set a high bar and move up. Plus everyone else has better work rules which is what really matters for everyone else in the industry. No wonder their ex DO turned MEC chair, quit the MEC in the middle of negotiation’s, that new CBA must be an embarrassment. And following suit is the treasurer quitting the company all together.
As the old saying goes “put lipstick on a pig, still a pig”

My buddy Pablo from AmeriJet said replica of K4 contract and pay.

Curious, where are the AJT pilots moving onto? How soon after getting employed are pilots leaving for other carriers?

Comparing notes with a friend and trying to prove a point. Thanks!

Not destination carriers.

More or less a year. Most pilots are leaving to ULLCs a small handful go to destination airlines.
As far as your friend. Dude it’s their funeral. Some people actually enjoy this place. At least 1/3 of the pilot group is not going anywhere, cus they can’t or simply they like it.
If your friend is pressed to go to AJT I say let them

What on earth is a destination carrier?

Well, the two folks that I know that left AJT, one went to FedEx and the other went to Delta. The hiring in this industry is cyclical, right now people are getting hired from every company out there.

Popular euphemism for legacy airlines. However i am sure you will now pose the question as to what a legacy airline is and we will go down a rabbit hole of ridiculousness. Quite frankly I don’t have the time to entertain such idiocracy.
Right now any job is out for the taking. If amerijet, atlas, ati is a destination airline then, the world is your oyster. Less competition to those who want to achieve their aviation dreams.

Can't be that popular, I've been at it for 40 years and never heard the expression. But talking about entertaining Idiocy, pilots continue to talk about how you won't be hired at brand X because of where you currently work. That is a rabbit whole of ridiculousness.

In this business there isn't a "destination" When I got on the hiring pool at Eastern, I thought that was it for the remainder, when I got hired at ANA, the same. FedEx is now what people would consider a destination. But I remember when they were flying raggedy Falcons and no one would look at them twice.

Getting hired is about timing and a good first impression, not where you work. PanAm, TWA, Eastern were all Legacy Carriers.

I was wondering if Amerijet would be a good first airline to start as.
I recently got accepted into Florida Institute of Technology and they have a pilot program with AJT.
IDK if it would be better to gain hours at a smaller carrier such as Ameriflight but flying right seat of a 75/76 a year after graduating seems pretty good to me.

If the program means going from flying a 172 to a 767….yeah, sounds so good. Make yourself a favor and fly a jet/turboprop with less auto-everything so that you can gain some valuable skills and experience. Flying a crj to a small town is not that exciting but you gotta fly the damn thing.
Going from a 172 to a WB, including international routes…..good lord.

There you have it… advice from a child of the magenta line.

not sure if you’re being sarcastic here.

What he said......from an instructor's standpoint, wow that would be alot of work.

The majority of airlines around the world hire people that aren't even pilots to begin with, they hire a particular profile and then send these individuals to pilot training. Is not uncommon to see folks with a fresh multiengine rating go directly to the right seat of a 777. Of course, this process takes several years of training, and it won't work with a 6-week training profile. If the airlines in the USA want to start giving opportunities to very low experienced pilots or even cadet programs, they need to adjust training accordingly.

But I remind you all that this was done before at the beginning of the 2000's with the PFT craze. I personally trained many 500 pilots with a fresh CRJ rating. It is possible!

A lot of those countries discourage hand flying or even make the A/P call out at 400’ an SOP. US trained pilots and the pilots trained in other countries are not the same.

You are 100% correct, training here in the US is very light when compared to countries under EASA for example. Many companies have a very extensive handflying training and spend a lot of time flying the aircraft completely by hand. Some even have mandatory aerobatic training yearly as part of their competency requirements.

Don't assume that Japan is the same as Indonesia or that training in Germany is the same as Turkey. You can't generalize like that because here in the US we have very minimal training requirements.

Theres no assumption at all. The Europeans have a totally different model though. They screen their pilots (for the most part) before they even get behind the controls. They do approach airline training differently. They’re taught to be airline pilots with airline procedures from Day 1. On the other hand, the Arabs and Asians (particularly Japan and China) have some of the worst hand flying pilots.

I sat next to a 3000 hour Japanese pilots in a B737 sim. He couldn’t follow a flight director to save his life. Is this to say every Japanese pilot is bad? Absolutely not. But it goes to show that the mentality of US trained pilots are different. We “fly the plane first” while others are “A/P On.”

On the contrary, you sat next to one pilot and assumed that the entire aviation system of the country is the same. I was a line check airman and instructor in Japan for 14 years. Their abilities are no different than anyone else's and their training is a lot more comprehensive.

I've trained hundreds upon hundreds of pilots here in the US, I've come across more than a few that can't hand fly to save their lives either. What I'm getting at is. Don't paint with a wide brush, it usually leads to the wrong assumption.

Like I said, no assumption. That’s why I said “Is this to say every Japanese pilot is bad? Absolutely not.”

You need to understand that it will be hard to accomplish, not impossible but pretty hard for someone with very low experience. The reason being that these training programs are not really designed as cadet programs are, you need to have some level of experience beforehand. There is a ground instructor for example that is a low time pilot gaining experience, very sharp and he got rated and is now instructing while he gains experience and his ATP mins. So it is most definitely doable!

However, you need to think about the risk/rewards equation here. A failed training event is something that will follow you for the rest of your career and something you will have to talk about in every interview you will take going forward. I would suggest talking to your instructors and trying to get in touch with somebody that has done it before, then you will get a better sense of what's ahead. If it feels like something you will be overwhelmed with. Then trying to get experience at a smaller airline or a part 135 outfit might be better suited for you.

Good luck on your decision.

With what the regionals are paying now, I’d think that would be a much better path. Their training is more tailored for an individual joining their first airline. That’s assuming the regional model still exists in a couple years I guess…..

What's the word on the Amerijet TA? Is it set to pass anytime soon? K4 contract is not that good. They can be assigned to a 24 or 26 hour duty day and no cancellation pay and no daily rate no trip rigs no duty rigs either. Everything is in Connie's favor!