Amazon Single Carrier?
12-04-2020 | 06:06 AM
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12-04-2020 | 07:55 AM
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as previously stated, "subcontractors" flying freight for the "big brand" is nothing new. In the PAX world this is basically what many regional airlines do.
The various FedEx painted Caravans, ATR's are an example.
Ameriflight is another. See "ECommerce boom" pic below
The various FedEx painted Caravans, ATR's are an example.
Ameriflight is another. See "ECommerce boom" pic below
12-04-2020 | 08:20 AM
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Amazon Single Carrier?
Unlikely, at least when I was there many years ago. I never witnessed or heard of any 1900 pilot that loaded their own aircraft. Maybe it’s changed but most of this type of flying was subcontracted flying for UPS. And UPS is all union. Which meant that the UPS ramp/truck driver didn’t let anyone other than them load the airplane. The pilot was required to be there to supervise as they are trained on the loading schedule. But even that was almost not necessary when you had people who had loaded a few times.
12-05-2020 | 06:42 AM
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Unlikely, at least when I was there many years ago. I never witnessed or heard of any 1900 pilot that loaded their own aircraft. Maybe it’s changed but most of this type of flying was subcontracted flying for UPS. And UPS is all union. Which meant that the UPS ramp/truck driver didn’t let anyone other than them load the airplane. The pilot was required to be there to supervise as they are trained on the loading schedule. But even that was almost not necessary when you had people who had loaded a few times.
12-05-2020 | 10:11 AM
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That’s precisely why I said ramp/truck driver. It depends on the outstation. I’ve been to plenty where the driver does the loading themselves. Some will let you help and others (presumably the hard core union guys) don’t want you touching anything. The only places I’ve seen where the pilot loads are places where there isn’t more than a couple hundred pounds of boxes to load and so it doesn’t really matter to the UPS guy. And certainly, when it comes to a fully loaded 1900, like the picture Rick quoted, I would bet that wasn’t the pilot loading it. Those guys usually bid that airplane to get away from the occasional loading like the 99 guys did. But like I said, maybe that has changed since I was there? Are you currently or recently there?
12-05-2020 | 02:52 PM
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12-08-2020 | 10:43 AM
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If you want to geek out on this: https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/wp-c...anual-2019.pdf See 19.501
https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/inde...eterminations/
Search year by year and click on the page cite to read the determination. Bottom line is there's little consistency case by case.
Here's the unsuccessful case between World Airways and North American in 2013: https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/wp-c.../10/40n012.pdf
QUOTE=FXLAX;3164908]Yes, I got that. Operational control is not the right term to use. My comment to Johnnyjetprop was to add that it does require common decision making, for lack of a better term.[/QUOTE]
https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/inde...eterminations/
Search year by year and click on the page cite to read the determination. Bottom line is there's little consistency case by case.
Here's the unsuccessful case between World Airways and North American in 2013: https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/wp-c.../10/40n012.pdf
QUOTE=FXLAX;3164908]Yes, I got that. Operational control is not the right term to use. My comment to Johnnyjetprop was to add that it does require common decision making, for lack of a better term.[/QUOTE]
Last edited by jonnyjetprop; 12-08-2020 at 10:59 AM.
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