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Old 11-15-2020 | 09:34 AM
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Why is Amazon allowed to fly multiple airlines at a time? Isn't this a form of anti-competitive practice (Sherman Anti-trust)? Seems like an uneven playing field when Amazon can "whipsaw" labor negotiations to lower cost. Amazon being the most wealthy company in the world (in all of world history) has an unfair advantage, and its monopoly powers need to be dealt with--before it's too late!
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Old 11-15-2020 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mart83648
Why is Amazon allowed to fly multiple airlines at a time? Isn't this a form of anti-competitive practice (Sherman Anti-trust)? Seems like an uneven playing field when Amazon can "whipsaw" labor negotiations to lower cost. Amazon being the most wealthy company in the world (in all of world history) has an unfair advantage, and its monopoly powers need to be dealt with--before it's too late!
DHL has the same business model along with the legacy carriers pitting multiple regionals against each other. Life ain’t fair and business practices surely aren’t.
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Old 11-15-2020 | 10:14 AM
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DHL has the same business model along with the legacy carriers pitting multiple regionals against each other. Life ain’t fair and business practices surely aren’t.
Add in pilots' being their own worst enemies.
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Old 11-15-2020 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mart83648
Why is Amazon allowed to fly multiple airlines at a time? Isn't this a form of anti-competitive practice (Sherman Anti-trust)? Seems like an uneven playing field when Amazon can "whipsaw" labor negotiations to lower cost. Amazon being the most wealthy company in the world (in all of world history) has an unfair advantage, and its monopoly powers need to be dealt with--before it's too late!
Why do you think that Amazon shouldn’t be able to seek the best rates and reliability to move their freight? They are just a logistics company that contracts out various other companies to physically move their product. There is no monopoly. Purple and brown are major competitors. If either company can produce the same service with the same quality and reliability at a lower cost, they will gain market share.
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Old 11-15-2020 | 10:33 AM
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Why do you think that Amazon shouldn’t be able to seek the best rates and reliability to move their freight? They are just a logistics company that contracts out various other companies to physically move their product. There is no monopoly. Purple and brown are major competitors. If either company can produce the same service with the same quality and reliability at a lower cost, they will gain market share.
Yes, I agree with Amazon being able to seek best rates, but Purple and UPS were forced to become single-carrier at one time. So should Purple and UPS start subcontracting out their flying to the lowest bidder? Sound's like a recipe for disaster. You can't just take anyone and throw them into a wide-body international jet.
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You can't just take anyone and throw them into a wide-body international jet.
Sure you can. The ACMI carriers have proven that over the years. Albeit with varying results. Success just depends on an effective training AND checking program.
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Old 11-15-2020 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mart83648
Yes, I agree with Amazon being able to seek best rates, but Purple and UPS were forced to become single-carrier at one time. So should Purple and UPS start subcontracting out their flying to the lowest bidder? Sound's like a recipe for disaster. You can't just take anyone and throw them into a wide-body international jet.

I’m not sure about FedEx and ups being forced to become single carriers. Can you explain that history? But what prevents either of those companies from using the subcontractor model is the pilots’ scope section of their contract. Scope is limited in size of aircraft or payload and limited other subcontracting, typically during peak.
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Old 11-15-2020 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Why do you think that Amazon shouldn’t be able to seek the best rates and reliability to move their freight? They are just a logistics company that contracts out various other companies to physically move their product. There is no monopoly. Purple and brown are major competitors. If either company can produce the same service with the same quality and reliability at a lower cost, they will gain market share.
They aren't just a logistics company when they are deciding when a flight goes and own the airplane.

They have operation control, regardless if they tell you so or not.

If they didn't, these companies like ABX and Atlas could fly the amazon jets for other carriers like Fedex, but they can't.
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Old 11-15-2020 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by mart83648
Yes, I agree with Amazon being able to seek best rates, but Purple and UPS were forced to become single-carrier at one time. So should Purple and UPS start subcontracting out their flying to the lowest bidder? Sound's like a recipe for disaster. You can't just take anyone and throw them into a wide-body international jet.
Should the USPS be forced to form an airline? They contract everyone as well. As Amazon grows, they may find that taking everything in house is the best way to control the quality of their product, they might not. Don’t make flying widebody jets into a bigger deal than it is. You really can take anyone who has the experience to be a competitive applicant at a legacy or LCC and throw them in a 747. Atlas, Kalitta, etc have been doing it for decades, and they’ve been doing it well as anyone out there.
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Old 11-15-2020 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdsmash
Sure you can. The ACMI carriers have proven that over the years. Albeit with varying results. Success just depends on an effective training AND checking program.
Just because you put checkmarks inside boxes and sign it, doesn't make it so. #Atlas3591
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