So does UPS, btw. The only different is that the FedEx feeder aircraft are owned by FedEx. Whereas the UPS feeder aircraft are owned by the feeder airlines.

 

I’ve seen a lot of FedEx painted birds in Europe, that are operated by other carriers also

 

I have been trying to raise this issue with my union now for some time. I don't know why but it's falling on deaf ears. Someone who knows please explain how it went down at UPS and what is the legal process to force Amazon to stop the shell game.

 

I don't care who you are...that..is funny.

 

There is no legal process.

It would only be possible for the pilots who are ACTUALLY employed by the Prime Air air operations certificate holder to negotiate for scope, and force the elimination or acquisition/merger of all outsourced flying. See the problem? Bezos is way out ahead of you.

Welcome to the brave new world. If you don't like being a whipsawed, outsourced, arms-length temp flying uber driver you should try to get hired by an operator which was around back when there was such a thing as employees, and they could unionize.

 

Agree with rickair. This is exactly why ->


In hindsight, I bet you UPS would’ve kept the previous à la DHL setup with contractors flying the cargo, if they’re ever allowed to “change their mind”.
UPS managements’ addiction to control ended up costing UPS way more $$$ than they ever anticipated... (Thanks to IPA)

Bezos is smart and he’s ruthless. He’s probably learned from brown’s mistakes. I’d be very surprised if Prime pilots ever wear IDs with Amazon logo on them. You never know of course..

 

At least ATI pilots have their prime air bag tags.

 

If Amazon wants to directly compete with fed ex and ups in the express shipping arena they’d have to go in house. Dhl proved that already when they got dominated in n America. For what amazon is doing now I don’t think that it matters. Does anyone really care what time their Amazon stuff arrives so long as it gets there.

If you are in the business of selling stuff and just want to move it cheaper I think the subcontractor is the way to go. If you are selling time like ups and fed ex you have to go in house. However much Amazon medals in the operations of these subcontractors at the end of the day they don’t have control or a lot of power to fix the problems. Look at what was going on with atlas not being able to staff and operate those airplanes. Eventually they got someone else to move the jets in ati and sun country but they probably had to listen to a parade of excuses and months went by before they got to that conclusion. I don’t think fed ex and ups in that business really have the kind of time to be jerked around like that where Amazon does if it save them money.

 

Amazon is trying to sell the time aspect... next day shipping has been a priority goal for quite a while. That being said, I believe that the DHL model will be used as long as possible until it ultimately is more profitable to bring it all in house... and what that looks like is anybody's guess

 

DHL's failure in the US had nothing to do with being dominated. The bought Airborne Express the #3 overnight express carrier with absolutely zero experience in overnight express delivery. By their own admission trying to run an Express operation was a hugh mistake. They just made poor business decisions and ran the whole operation in the ditch. Realizing how bad they screwed up they downsized back to Cincinnati flying only International freight. The bright spot was the contract said if they downsize the flying because of stupidity they get to purchase the parked aircraft...70ish DC9s and 30ish DC8s.