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Old 11-21-2020 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by senecacaptain
what he said. Amazon employs no pilots. If a subcontractor wants to roger up and do a good job and provide great service to one of the worldss largest cap corporations on the face of the earth, and said corporation continues to throw work at the subcontractor, well god bless America.

no, Besos does not lie awake thinking about how to "screw pilots." He is too busy conquering the world.

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Amazon is the textbook definition of an open marketplace. Also, if you don't want to log in, and hit buy, you don't have to. You can drive in your car, and drive down the road like a free citizen, and go to Wal-Mart. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to buy at Amazon. But, see, nobody is. Any just about anything ON Amazon, is indeed sold SOMEWHERE, you just need to hunt it down, via legwork and flipping the yellow pages. You do not HAVE to use Amazon.

But, you probably are anyway. You can buy anything, ship it to your front door, in 2 days.

But in 2020, yesterday's "great business idea" is now an evil monoploy.

AOC and Bernie would be proud of such thinking. How dare we have innovative thinking in this country.


I use Amazon to price things out. Then I go over to Walmart website (which is a market place exactly like Amazon) and see if it can find it there. The vast majority of times I can find the same item for the same price or lower at Walmart. And they almost never charge to ship either (and usually ship FedEx ). Every once in a while there is an item which I can only find on Amazon or it’s just to good of a deal so I reluctantly buy but that is the exception. That’s the my small part I’m not trying to help the Amazon ways.
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Old 11-21-2020 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by gollum
agreed, but to the point that they are single-Carrier operations, they are not.

also, those contracts are an agreement between fedex/ups and their company employed pilots. Amazon has no such company employed pilots and therefore no agreement with any pilots union.
Did you read my prior post? You’re agreeing with what I said.
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Old 11-21-2020 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by vroll1800
+1 I would add that one should strive to get hired by an operator that flies payload under it's own branded name.
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Old 11-21-2020 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 6Badger9
I’ve seen a lot of FedEx painted birds in Europe, that are operated by other carriers also
Most, not all, of those cases has more to do with foreign government laws. FedEx isn’t allowed to fly inter-Canada revenue flights. That’s why there are lots of Fedex painted 757’s in Canada with a C registry and “operated by” on FedEx painted airplanes.
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Old 11-22-2020 | 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdsmash
DHL has the same business model along with the legacy carriers pitting multiple regionals against each other. Life ain’t fair and business practices surely aren’t.
Single carrier suits have a terrible track record.

Judges are morons.
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Old 11-22-2020 | 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
You've seen a handful of 737s in Europe painted in FedEx livery operated by only one carrier.

Edit: Unless you're talking about the feeders. There are also a handful of feeder aircraft being operated by contractors in Europe. Same model in the States.
Morningstar has the FedEx Contract with 757s in Canadastan as well.
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Old 11-22-2020 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by acecrackshot
Single carrier suits have a terrible track record.
To have even a remote shot I think the carriers in question would need to be owned by the same entity. Even so, that never stopped Hulas.

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Judges are morons.
They're just following the law... hard to make a legal case that a business needs to re-organize itself for the sole purpose of becoming more vulnerable to labor organization.
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Old 11-22-2020 | 06:51 AM
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"Fly for the carrier with the brand name" or whatever theory...

I used to know a whole bunch of fully retired 20+ year military pilot dudes flying for Baron Aviation (FedEx Cessna Caravans). All age 50+, they flew their Caravan like 3 hours a night/AM, within the state, and were done. usually back in time for breakfast with mama.
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Old 11-22-2020 | 07:48 AM
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What needs to change is the RLA. It was written at a time when you couldn't tell a TWA pilot "take these concessions, or we give your flying to Pan Am." The RLA is designed to promote the status quo. On the rail side it prohibits closing of stations and routes during negotiations. No such protections exist on the air side, they close bases/stations and threaten - or do - transfer flying to other carriers in a whipsaw. The RLA never envisioned the outsourced business model infecting our industry.

The problem is, ALPA and the other union lawyers won't fight to fix it. They've become very comfortable with the current RLA decisions and it makes them confident what will and won't fly (excuse the pun). That said, they've forgotten that they exist to improve our lives, and make our lives easier and more comfortable; not to make it easy for the lawyers.

I literally sat and listened to 3 hours of one lawyer after another at ALPA national explaining why they didn't want to mess with the RLA because they have a really good grasp of how to work within it now. Totally BS arguments. The only argument they put forth that did hold some water was that if the unions want modifications to the RLA, that managements will push to modify things their way, and the lawyers are afraid of what could happen.
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Old 11-22-2020 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by senecacaptain
"Fly for the carrier with the brand name" or whatever theory...

I used to know a whole bunch of fully retired 20+ year military pilot dudes flying for Baron Aviation (FedEx Cessna Caravans). All age 50+, they flew their Caravan like 3 hours a night/AM, within the state, and were done. usually back in time for breakfast with mama.
Hey, I know of some examples of retired military who by virtue of their pension chose not to go after the big money. I know of one former air wing commander who became a parking lot attendant. That's not the point, nor the context of this thread. Issue being that some people think they are getting in on the ground floor of "something big" by getting hired by an ACMI operator with Amazon contract. Hoping against hope that somehow Amazon will morph into a single carrier operator, and they will be an urchin turned into a prince. Nope, most likely they got themselves into a perpetual whipsaw game. The best way out of that merry go round (assuming that individual desires a long term airline career) is to get hired by brand name operator.
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