Cargojet Canada
05-26-2021 | 02:02 PM
#11
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Be careful saying things that just are not true. 21Air is not flying ANY cargo for Cargojet. Now, I COULD ask what did everyone do when DHL shutdown their very own airline and outsourced the entire operation. It was also an ALPA carrier. That would make everyone flying DHL cargo currently guilty of the same crime. Capt Depete should be careful how far he pushes this because someone may bring it up. 1)Cargojet is NOT ALPA. 2) Unifor, Cargojets own union, is in on this. 3)Lots of different companies have foreign ownership, ESPECIALLY DHL. 4)U.S. carriers had hubs in foreign countries for many many years. Pan Ams IGS was one. Pan Am also owned Pangra which operated in S. America. It would be hypocrisy.
Saying 21Air is anyworse than anyone else in the DHL world is just irresponsible. I am not saying they are any better just saying the race to the bottome started a long time ago and when those poor DHL guys and girls were cut lose, no one did a thing. Now all these “outfits” fight for the scraps and watch everyone turn on each other which is really the grand design.
Not one pilot that has taken a job at any DHL carrier is any worse or better than another.
Saying 21Air is anyworse than anyone else in the DHL world is just irresponsible. I am not saying they are any better just saying the race to the bottome started a long time ago and when those poor DHL guys and girls were cut lose, no one did a thing. Now all these “outfits” fight for the scraps and watch everyone turn on each other which is really the grand design.
Not one pilot that has taken a job at any DHL carrier is any worse or better than another.
Secondly, Pan AMs (or Fedex's or TWAs) overseas crew bases were set up in accordance with the existing use agreements of the time (esp. in the case of PA and TW, to serve Berlin) and not undercut the creation or bargaining position of a foreign carrier. Indeed, look at the companies that helped to birth the likes of Lufthansa or Ethiopian.
Before you start using history, you might need a better grasp on it.
05-26-2021 | 02:59 PM
#12
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From: Fully Retired
First off, PANAGRA was a US airline flying Fifth Freedom, not some South American subsidiary.
Secondly, Pan AMs (or Fedex's or TWAs) overseas crew bases were set up in accordance with the existing use agreements of the time (esp. in the case of PA and TW, to serve Berlin) and not undercut the creation or bargaining position of a foreign carrier. Indeed, look at the companies that helped to birth the likes of Lufthansa or Ethiopian.
Before you start using history, you might need a better grasp on it.
Secondly, Pan AMs (or Fedex's or TWAs) overseas crew bases were set up in accordance with the existing use agreements of the time (esp. in the case of PA and TW, to serve Berlin) and not undercut the creation or bargaining position of a foreign carrier. Indeed, look at the companies that helped to birth the likes of Lufthansa or Ethiopian.
Before you start using history, you might need a better grasp on it.
05-27-2021 | 05:12 AM
#13
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Joined: Mar 2005
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From: Former DC8 73 Capt DHLAirways/Astar. Retired
Be careful saying things that just are not true. 21Air is not flying ANY cargo for Cargojet. Now, I COULD ask what did everyone do when DHL shutdown their very own airline and outsourced the entire operation. It was also an ALPA carrier. That would make everyone flying DHL cargo currently guilty of the same crime. Capt Depete should be careful how far he pushes this because someone may bring it up. 1)Cargojet is NOT ALPA. 2) Unifor, Cargojets own union, is in on this. 3)Lots of different companies have foreign ownership, ESPECIALLY DHL. 4)U.S. carriers had hubs in foreign countries for many many years. Pan Ams IGS was one. Pan Am also owned Pangra which operated in S. America. It would be hypocrisy.
Saying 21Air is anyworse than anyone else in the DHL world is just irresponsible. I am not saying they are any better just saying the race to the bottome started a long time ago and when those poor DHL guys and girls were cut lose, no one did a thing. Now all these “outfits” fight for the scraps and watch everyone turn on each other which is really the grand design.
Not one pilot that has taken a job at any DHL carrier is any worse or better than another.
Saying 21Air is anyworse than anyone else in the DHL world is just irresponsible. I am not saying they are any better just saying the race to the bottome started a long time ago and when those poor DHL guys and girls were cut lose, no one did a thing. Now all these “outfits” fight for the scraps and watch everyone turn on each other which is really the grand design.
Not one pilot that has taken a job at any DHL carrier is any worse or better than another.
That, is truth.
06-05-2021 | 06:49 AM
#14
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History
No, I did not go into a full history but everything I wrote was accurate. DHL is owned by a German Company.
Moving on. Now that the World is somewhat back to normal, and with all the hiring, I don't know why anyone would choose the "Freight Dog" carriers other than FedEx or UPS. If you have not spent quality time in the DHL circus well, you'd be in for a a bit of a shock. Go jumpseat in an out of CVG some night and see the line up of junk yard airplanes that were parked so many years ago. The paint schemes, or lack thereof, are truly a site to behold. I have to say it, sorry 21, but that red airplane is like holy hell.
The easiest way to avoid any of these issue to is to avoid it all together. And yes, Cargojet flew for Amerijet during the Amerijet strike just like ATI did during the ABX strike. It's always someone pointing fingers at someone else. As I've said, this side of the industry is like my prom dates, just ugly. Stay away from this mess, nothing good ever comes from it and looking at yourself in the mirror at 4am for a few years and watch yourself age is not fun. "Mirror Mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all"? "Um, yeah I don't know but crew scheduling is looking for you to go to Tulsa at 5:30 now"!
Moving on. Now that the World is somewhat back to normal, and with all the hiring, I don't know why anyone would choose the "Freight Dog" carriers other than FedEx or UPS. If you have not spent quality time in the DHL circus well, you'd be in for a a bit of a shock. Go jumpseat in an out of CVG some night and see the line up of junk yard airplanes that were parked so many years ago. The paint schemes, or lack thereof, are truly a site to behold. I have to say it, sorry 21, but that red airplane is like holy hell.
The easiest way to avoid any of these issue to is to avoid it all together. And yes, Cargojet flew for Amerijet during the Amerijet strike just like ATI did during the ABX strike. It's always someone pointing fingers at someone else. As I've said, this side of the industry is like my prom dates, just ugly. Stay away from this mess, nothing good ever comes from it and looking at yourself in the mirror at 4am for a few years and watch yourself age is not fun. "Mirror Mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all"? "Um, yeah I don't know but crew scheduling is looking for you to go to Tulsa at 5:30 now"!
06-06-2021 | 12:02 AM
#15
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Because where you land in this business isn't always about what you would choose. Because sometimes, you have to make a move and that's what is available, and FedEx & UPS won't hire you just because you asked nicely. In my failed attempts to move on to greener pastures, I have found that I'm far from alone. There are pilots who I would fly with any day and twice on Sunday who have interviewed with The Big Names but can't get hired while "that guy" (you know the one) waltzes right in the door.
06-06-2021 | 04:11 AM
#16
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No, I did not go into a full history but everything I wrote was accurate. DHL is owned by a German Company.
Moving on. Now that the World is somewhat back to normal, and with all the hiring, I don't know why anyone would choose the "Freight Dog" carriers other than FedEx or UPS. If you have not spent quality time in the DHL circus well, you'd be in for a a bit of a shock. Go jumpseat in an out of CVG some night and see the line up of junk yard airplanes that were parked so many years ago. The paint schemes, or lack thereof, are truly a site to behold. I have to say it, sorry 21, but that red airplane is like holy hell.
The easiest way to avoid any of these issue to is to avoid it all together. And yes, Cargojet flew for Amerijet during the Amerijet strike just like ATI did during the ABX strike. It's always someone pointing fingers at someone else. As I've said, this side of the industry is like my prom dates, just ugly. Stay away from this mess, nothing good ever comes from it and looking at yourself in the mirror at 4am for a few years and watch yourself age is not fun. "Mirror Mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all"? "Um, yeah I don't know but crew scheduling is looking for you to go to Tulsa at 5:30 now"!
Moving on. Now that the World is somewhat back to normal, and with all the hiring, I don't know why anyone would choose the "Freight Dog" carriers other than FedEx or UPS. If you have not spent quality time in the DHL circus well, you'd be in for a a bit of a shock. Go jumpseat in an out of CVG some night and see the line up of junk yard airplanes that were parked so many years ago. The paint schemes, or lack thereof, are truly a site to behold. I have to say it, sorry 21, but that red airplane is like holy hell.
The easiest way to avoid any of these issue to is to avoid it all together. And yes, Cargojet flew for Amerijet during the Amerijet strike just like ATI did during the ABX strike. It's always someone pointing fingers at someone else. As I've said, this side of the industry is like my prom dates, just ugly. Stay away from this mess, nothing good ever comes from it and looking at yourself in the mirror at 4am for a few years and watch yourself age is not fun. "Mirror Mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all"? "Um, yeah I don't know but crew scheduling is looking for you to go to Tulsa at 5:30 now"!
06-06-2021 | 07:42 AM
#17
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Are you hiring
Apologies if I offended anyone but I think UPS and FedEx are like the last two non ACMI carriers left. DHL and Airborne Express are gone or seriously changed. I am assuming you flew at ABX, or do now? Are you hiring???
Hopefully things will only get better as seems to be the case. Btw, I'm not a pro on 21 or anyone but some places have soft pay or work rules etc, not here on APC or not really understood.
Hopefully things will only get better as seems to be the case. Btw, I'm not a pro on 21 or anyone but some places have soft pay or work rules etc, not here on APC or not really understood.
06-06-2021 | 05:31 PM
#18
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Also, the guy who was deciding ACMI because he doesn't like the paint jobs -- seriously?
06-08-2021 | 03:45 AM
#19
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And they are flying DHL freight in it using Cargo Jet call sign...
06-10-2021 | 07:36 AM
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Apologies if I offended anyone but I think UPS and FedEx are like the last two non ACMI carriers left. DHL and Airborne Express are gone or seriously changed. I am assuming you flew at ABX, or do now? Are you hiring???
Hopefully things will only get better as seems to be the case. Btw, I'm not a pro on 21 or anyone but some places have soft pay or work rules etc, not here on APC or not really understood.
Hopefully things will only get better as seems to be the case. Btw, I'm not a pro on 21 or anyone but some places have soft pay or work rules etc, not here on APC or not really understood.
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