New FedEx LOA
07-03-2007 | 07:45 AM
#292
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From: 767 FO
This is the bottom line in this problem. They offer us a package and improvement that far exceeds what is in the current contract. They didn't have to do this, but offered us a significant improvement over current contract...(Not significant enough for me and I actually looked at living there prior to this with no package...)
We turn it down. They hire foreign pilots, or "cheap" pilots. We take them to court, and the court will rule in their favor, as they offered us something...and we turned it down. This is a very realistic outcome.
Look at the STS experiment with ATLAS. CATHAY had new Captains hired out of seniority in their past...
Our leverage is little or nothing. I'm not in favor of this, but, would rather have something rather than nothing. Keep the flying on our list. No one bid the FDA's. Make them suck up the cost of the STV fully. That cost alone will make them have to re-evaluate this whole thing.
I trust this company as far as I can throw them...and this gives them the excuse they want to break scope...doo doo sandwich either way, it's just that one has cheese.
PS, anyone that has more info on the problems with accepted fares, please post that info, as I've missed what the problem has been.
We turn it down. They hire foreign pilots, or "cheap" pilots. We take them to court, and the court will rule in their favor, as they offered us something...and we turned it down. This is a very realistic outcome.
Look at the STS experiment with ATLAS. CATHAY had new Captains hired out of seniority in their past...
Our leverage is little or nothing. I'm not in favor of this, but, would rather have something rather than nothing. Keep the flying on our list. No one bid the FDA's. Make them suck up the cost of the STV fully. That cost alone will make them have to re-evaluate this whole thing.
I trust this company as far as I can throw them...and this gives them the excuse they want to break scope...doo doo sandwich either way, it's just that one has cheese.
PS, anyone that has more info on the problems with accepted fares, please post that info, as I've missed what the problem has been.
Judge then rules in our favor and we become a union owned airline. Just as realistic.
07-03-2007 | 07:57 AM
#293
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From: A300 Captain
Well after reading this thread and listening to the BS in the crew lounge and bus I have to laugh. First was the criticism I've heard toward Chimenti and crew; My take is they got the best deal they felt they could with the level of support they have. Now either vote for or against and show them if they were right or wrong. I doubt they were wrong, because I personally know "good union members" (sic) flying extra during our last contract talks. Thank UPS management for our last contract, every bit of it. You want a better LOA the put up or shut up.
07-03-2007 | 08:22 AM
#294
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From: MD-11 Captain
Fwiw
I saw BC today (we passed during our airplane exchange in XXX). I commented that lots of folks seem to be ****ed about the LOA ... He said, "Tell them not to bid it!"
THANKS BOB ... that helps a lot.
Mark
THANKS BOB ... that helps a lot.
Mark
07-03-2007 | 08:50 AM
#295
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From: FDX A300 CPT
here's the deal..breakfast with my source...if it's voted down expect junior manning..no decision has been made yet as far as a SIBA base..highly unlikely though...they do want some increase in seniority in these domiciles and that's why they didn't just put out a bid...they think the LOA is an improvement over the CBA..it is..but still subpar IMHO...they expect all junior guys to vote for it because if they do get junior manned at least they will get the money..later
07-03-2007 | 09:04 AM
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This is the bottom line in this problem. They offer us a package and improvement that far exceeds what is in the current contract. They didn't have to do this, but offered us a significant improvement over current contract...(Not significant enough for me and I actually looked at living there prior to this with no package...)
We turn it down. They hire foreign pilots, or "cheap" pilots. We take them to court, and the court will rule in their favor, as they offered us something...and we turned it down. This is a very realistic outcome.
Look at the STS experiment with ATLAS. CATHAY had new Captains hired out of seniority in their past...
Our leverage is little or nothing. I'm not in favor of this, but, would rather have something rather than nothing. Keep the flying on our list. No one bid the FDA's. Make them suck up the cost of the STV fully. That cost alone will make them have to re-evaluate this whole thing.
I trust this company as far as I can throw them...and this gives them the excuse they want to break scope...doo doo sandwich either way, it's just that one has cheese.
PS, anyone that has more info on the problems with accepted fares, please post that info, as I've missed what the problem has been.
We turn it down. They hire foreign pilots, or "cheap" pilots. We take them to court, and the court will rule in their favor, as they offered us something...and we turned it down. This is a very realistic outcome.
Look at the STS experiment with ATLAS. CATHAY had new Captains hired out of seniority in their past...
Our leverage is little or nothing. I'm not in favor of this, but, would rather have something rather than nothing. Keep the flying on our list. No one bid the FDA's. Make them suck up the cost of the STV fully. That cost alone will make them have to re-evaluate this whole thing.
I trust this company as far as I can throw them...and this gives them the excuse they want to break scope...doo doo sandwich either way, it's just that one has cheese.
PS, anyone that has more info on the problems with accepted fares, please post that info, as I've missed what the problem has been.
i think we need to stand up for ourselves. (if that's possible with our band of disputed flying bubbas)
pdo
07-03-2007 | 09:14 AM
#298
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From: Zeppelin Tail Gunner
[Judge then rules in our favor and we become a union owned airline. Just as realistic.[/quote]]
A Memphis judge rule in our favor? That must be some good peyote! Ask some of the guys who have been around for some time if they can ever remember a Memphis judge ruling against FedEx, not just against us, but any time.
A Memphis judge rule in our favor? That must be some good peyote! Ask some of the guys who have been around for some time if they can ever remember a Memphis judge ruling against FedEx, not just against us, but any time.
07-03-2007 | 09:24 AM
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Pdo & Falconjet,
I am not about to rewrite my diatribe(s) on this from the 'FDA Nightmare for Junior Pilots' thread, but CaptainMark's rumor seems to hint with no LOA they plan on junior manning there and force ALPA to grieve the violation. They will win too, a look at industry arbitrations over the past 7 years will lead you to believe the same. Pdo, the NW mechanics, Mesaba pilots/mechs/FA's, and the Comair pilots/FA's have all tried to go to court to make the argument that such contract breeches should force self-help. They all lost. I'll let more politically inclined peeps discuss why.
I am not about to rewrite my diatribe(s) on this from the 'FDA Nightmare for Junior Pilots' thread, but CaptainMark's rumor seems to hint with no LOA they plan on junior manning there and force ALPA to grieve the violation. They will win too, a look at industry arbitrations over the past 7 years will lead you to believe the same. Pdo, the NW mechanics, Mesaba pilots/mechs/FA's, and the Comair pilots/FA's have all tried to go to court to make the argument that such contract breeches should force self-help. They all lost. I'll let more politically inclined peeps discuss why.
07-03-2007 | 09:26 AM
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From: 767 FO
Judge then rules in our favor and we become a union owned airline. Just as realistic.
A Memphis judge rule in our favor? That must be some good peyote! Ask some of the guys who have been around for some time if they can ever remember a Memphis judge ruling against FedEx, not just against us, but any time.
A Memphis judge rule in our favor? That must be some good peyote! Ask some of the guys who have been around for some time if they can ever remember a Memphis judge ruling against FedEx, not just against us, but any time.
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